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From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com>
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On Feb 21, 1:17=EF=BF=BDpm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Enough said.

More than enough since you are not a doctor, but continue to lie.

For a real M.D. See:

http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/
-------End Quote_____

Jan endorses Dr. Miller.

I visited his website and can see that he is a hard working member of
the medical profession.

I also found links which resulted in these:

"With proper hygiene and proper precautions, in addition to numerous
vaccines and rapidly advancing medical technology, people are better
equipped than ever to avoid getting sick."

and

http://www.ecommunity.com/health/index.aspx?pageid=P02523

"The importance of immunizations:
Immunization is key to preventing disease among the general
population. Vaccines benefit both the people who receive them, and the
vulnerable, unvaccinated people around them, because the infection can
no longer spread. In addition, immunizations reduce the number of
deaths and disability from infections, such as whooping cough and
chickenpox.

Although children receive the majority of the vaccinations, adults
also need to stay up-to-date on certain vaccinations, including
tetanus and diphtheria. In addition, those adults who have never had
chickenpox or measles during childhood (nor the vaccines against these
specific diseases) should consider being vaccinated. Childhood
illnesses such as mumps, measles, and chickenpox can cause serious
complications in adults.

About guidelines for childhood immunizations:
Many childhood diseases can now be prevented by following recommended
guidelines for vaccinations:

Meningococcal vaccine - to protect against meningococcal disease.
Hip B - to protect against hepatitis B.
Polio vaccine - to protect against polio.
DTaP and Tdap - to protect against diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), and
pertussis (whooping cough).
Hib vaccine - to protect against Haemophilus influenzae type b (which
causes spinal meningitis).
MMR - to protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles).
Pneumococcal vaccine - to protect against pneumonia, infection in the
blood, and meningitis.
Varicella - to protect against chickenpox.
RotaTeq® - to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis in infants.
Hep A - to prevent viral infection of the liver.
HPV - to protect females from human papillomavirus, which is linked to
cervical cancer. "

and much more.

Interestingly, Jan's "Real M.D." recommends the RotaTEQ vaccination
invented by Dr. Paul Offit.

I surely do wonder what Dr. Miller, who sounds like a really wonderful
doctor, would say about Jan's incessent trashing of vaccinations and
Dr. Offit?

From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 22, 9:55 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: Why Vaccines May Be Bad
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> On Feb 21, 1:17=EF=BF=BDpm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>  > Enough said.
>
> More than enough since you are not a doctor, but continue to lie.
>
> For a real M.D.  See:
>
> http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/
>  -------End Quote_____
>
> Jan endorses Dr. Miller.
>
> I visited his website and can see that he is a hard working member of
> the medical profession.
>
> I also found links which resulted in these:
>
> "With proper hygiene and proper precautions, in addition to numerous
> vaccines and rapidly advancing medical technology, people are better
> equipped than ever to avoid getting sick."
>
> and
>
> http://www.ecommunity.com/health/index.aspx?pageid=P02523
>
> "The importance of immunizations:
> Immunization is key to preventing disease among the general
> population. Vaccines benefit both the people who receive them, and the
> vulnerable, unvaccinated people around them, because the infection can
> no longer spread. In addition, immunizations reduce the number of
> deaths and disability from infections, such as whooping cough and
> chickenpox.
>
> Although children receive the majority of the vaccinations, adults
> also need to stay up-to-date on certain vaccinations, including
> tetanus and diphtheria. In addition, those adults who have never had
> chickenpox or measles during childhood (nor the vaccines against these
> specific diseases) should consider being vaccinated. Childhood
> illnesses such as mumps, measles, and chickenpox can cause serious
> complications in adults.
>
> About guidelines for childhood immunizations:
> Many childhood diseases can now be prevented by following recommended
> guidelines for vaccinations:
>
> Meningococcal vaccine  - to protect against meningococcal disease.
> Hip B - to protect against hepatitis B.
> Polio vaccine  - to protect against polio.
> DTaP and Tdap - to protect against diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), and
> pertussis (whooping cough).
> Hib vaccine - to protect against Haemophilus influenzae type b (which
> causes spinal meningitis).
> MMR - to protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles).
> Pneumococcal vaccine  - to protect against pneumonia, infection in the
> blood, and meningitis.
> Varicella - to protect against chickenpox.
> RotaTeq® - to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis in infants.
> Hep A - to prevent viral infection of the liver.
> HPV - to protect females from human papillomavirus, which is linked to
> cervical cancer. "
>
> and much more.
>
> Interestingly, Jan's "Real M.D." recommends the RotaTEQ vaccination
> invented by Dr. Paul Offit.
>
> I surely do wonder what Dr. Miller, who sounds like a really wonderful
> doctor, would say about Jan's incessent trashing of vaccinations and
> Dr. Offit?

Oh, I left out this statement which is on the above linked page:

"However, the risks of contracting the diseases the immunizations
provide protection from are higher than the risks of having a reaction
to the vaccine."

I'll repeat that....

"However, the risks of contracting the diseases the immunizations
provide protection from are higher than the risks of having a reaction
to the vaccine."

Thus, we have the interesting HYPOCRITICAL statement by Jan Drew that
Dr. Miller is a wonderful doctor (which he appears to be) and that she
trashes what he says.

Jan, call Dr. Miller an apologize for your evil ways.

From: Happy Oyster on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:55:04 -0800 (PST), Mark Probert <mark.probert(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

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>On Feb 21, 1:17=EF=BF=BDpm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > Enough said.
>
>More than enough since you are not a doctor, but continue to lie.
>
>For a real M.D. See:
>
>http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/
> -------End Quote_____
>
>Jan endorses Dr. Miller.
>
>I visited his website and can see that he is a hard working member of
>the medical profession.
>
>I also found links which resulted in these:
>
>"With proper hygiene and proper precautions, in addition to numerous
>vaccines and rapidly advancing medical technology, people are better
>equipped than ever to avoid getting sick."
>
>and
>
>http://www.ecommunity.com/health/index.aspx?pageid=P02523
>
>"The importance of immunizations:
>Immunization is key to preventing disease among the general
>population. Vaccines benefit both the people who receive them, and the
>vulnerable, unvaccinated people around them, because the infection can
>no longer spread. In addition, immunizations reduce the number of
>deaths and disability from infections, such as whooping cough and
>chickenpox.
>
>Although children receive the majority of the vaccinations, adults
>also need to stay up-to-date on certain vaccinations, including
>tetanus and diphtheria. In addition, those adults who have never had
>chickenpox or measles during childhood (nor the vaccines against these
>specific diseases) should consider being vaccinated. Childhood
>illnesses such as mumps, measles, and chickenpox can cause serious
>complications in adults.
>
>About guidelines for childhood immunizations:
>Many childhood diseases can now be prevented by following recommended
>guidelines for vaccinations:
>
>Meningococcal vaccine - to protect against meningococcal disease.
>Hip B - to protect against hepatitis B.
>Polio vaccine - to protect against polio.
>DTaP and Tdap - to protect against diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), and
>pertussis (whooping cough).
>Hib vaccine - to protect against Haemophilus influenzae type b (which
>causes spinal meningitis).
>MMR - to protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles).
>Pneumococcal vaccine - to protect against pneumonia, infection in the
>blood, and meningitis.
>Varicella - to protect against chickenpox.
>RotaTeq� - to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis in infants.
>Hep A - to prevent viral infection of the liver.
>HPV - to protect females from human papillomavirus, which is linked to
>cervical cancer. "
>
>and much more.
>
>Interestingly, Jan's "Real M.D." recommends the RotaTEQ vaccination
>invented by Dr. Paul Offit.
>
>I surely do wonder what Dr. Miller, who sounds like a really wonderful
>doctor, would say about Jan's incessent trashing of vaccinations and
>Dr. Offit?

He would call her nuts?

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From: Happy Oyster on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:57:43 -0800 (PST), Mark Probert <mark.probert(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Feb 22, 9:55�am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Newsgroups:
>> sci.med,sci.med.nursing,sci.med.pharmacy,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.�health
>> Subject: Re: Why Vaccines May Be Bad
>> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:47:24 -0800 (PST)
>> Organization:http://groups.google.com
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>> On Feb 21, 1:17=EF=BF=BDpm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> �> Enough said.
>>
>> More than enough since you are not a doctor, but continue to lie.
>>
>> For a real M.D. �See:
>>
>> http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/
>> �-------End Quote_____
>>
>> Jan endorses Dr. Miller.
>>
>> I visited his website and can see that he is a hard working member of
>> the medical profession.
>>
>> I also found links which resulted in these:
>>
>> "With proper hygiene and proper precautions, in addition to numerous
>> vaccines and rapidly advancing medical technology, people are better
>> equipped than ever to avoid getting sick."
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.ecommunity.com/health/index.aspx?pageid=P02523
>>
>> "The importance of immunizations:
>> Immunization is key to preventing disease among the general
>> population. Vaccines benefit both the people who receive them, and the
>> vulnerable, unvaccinated people around them, because the infection can
>> no longer spread. In addition, immunizations reduce the number of
>> deaths and disability from infections, such as whooping cough and
>> chickenpox.
>>
>> Although children receive the majority of the vaccinations, adults
>> also need to stay up-to-date on certain vaccinations, including
>> tetanus and diphtheria. In addition, those adults who have never had
>> chickenpox or measles during childhood (nor the vaccines against these
>> specific diseases) should consider being vaccinated. Childhood
>> illnesses such as mumps, measles, and chickenpox can cause serious
>> complications in adults.
>>
>> About guidelines for childhood immunizations:
>> Many childhood diseases can now be prevented by following recommended
>> guidelines for vaccinations:
>>
>> Meningococcal vaccine �- to protect against meningococcal disease.
>> Hip B - to protect against hepatitis B.
>> Polio vaccine �- to protect against polio.
>> DTaP and Tdap - to protect against diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), and
>> pertussis (whooping cough).
>> Hib vaccine - to protect against Haemophilus influenzae type b (which
>> causes spinal meningitis).
>> MMR - to protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German measles).
>> Pneumococcal vaccine �- to protect against pneumonia, infection in the
>> blood, and meningitis.
>> Varicella - to protect against chickenpox.
>> RotaTeq� - to prevent rotavirus gastroenteritis in infants.
>> Hep A - to prevent viral infection of the liver.
>> HPV - to protect females from human papillomavirus, which is linked to
>> cervical cancer. "
>>
>> and much more.
>>
>> Interestingly, Jan's "Real M.D." recommends the RotaTEQ vaccination
>> invented by Dr. Paul Offit.
>>
>> I surely do wonder what Dr. Miller, who sounds like a really wonderful
>> doctor, would say about Jan's incessent trashing of vaccinations and
>> Dr. Offit?
>
>Oh, I left out this statement which is on the above linked page:
>
>"However, the risks of contracting the diseases the immunizations
>provide protection from are higher than the risks of having a reaction
>to the vaccine."
>
>I'll repeat that....
>
>"However, the risks of contracting the diseases the immunizations
>provide protection from are higher than the risks of having a reaction
>to the vaccine."
>
>Thus, we have the interesting HYPOCRITICAL statement by Jan Drew that
>Dr. Miller is a wonderful doctor (which he appears to be) and that she
>trashes what he says.
>
>Jan, call Dr. Miller an apologize for your evil ways.

Too bad... ;O)

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***************************************************************
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From: Mike on
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> On Feb 21, 1:17=EF=BF=BDpm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > Enough said.
>
> More than enough since you are not a doctor, but continue to lie.
>
> For a real M.D. See:
>
> http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/
> -------End Quote_____
>
> Jan endorses Dr. Miller.
>
> I visited his website and can see that he is a hard working member of
> the medical profession.
>
> I also found links which resulted in these:
>
> "With proper hygiene and proper precautions, in addition to numerous
> vaccines and rapidly advancing medical technology, people are better
> equipped than ever to avoid getting sick."
>
> and
>
> http://www.ecommunity.com/health/index.aspx?pageid=P02523
>

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Mark, you are an idiot. You followed a link at
http://www.millerfamilymedicine.com/, found more links at
the linked site and concluded that Dr.Miller endorsed whatever
is there. He may, or he may not, there is no evidence.

He does not "recommend immunizations". He has a generic link to a web
site that has a different page (not referred by him) that recommends
immunizations.

And why does he have this link? Given these links and that his web site
and ecommunity.com have the same IP address 204.108.61.25 I would
suggest there is a relationship. Most likely, he is a member of
ecommunity.com (there is membership there), they may host his web site
in exchange for links, this is common practice.

Here is a web site of another member: http://www.arborlanemed.com
It looks very similar and has the same links.
Needless to say, same IP address.