From: Peter Bowditch on
Mark Probert <markprobert(a)> wrote:

>Peter Bowditch wrote:
>> Mark Probert <markprobert(a)> wrote:
>>> Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
>>>> On Mar 12, 10:12 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 7:56 am, "Jeff" <n...(a)> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystria...(a)> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1173703215.408421.218430(a)
>>>>>>>>>> While the research concerning ADD and ADHD has been around for decades,
>>>>>>>>>> DavidSon said he observed increased diagnoses in the mid-1980s and into
>>>>>>>>>> the 1990s. "Initially, young boys were primarily the ones diagnosed
>>>>>>>>>> followed by girls and then adults. I cannot speak for other practices,
>>>>>>>>>> but I noted the growth was consistent with the expansion and
>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>> of video games. Additionally, you must consider the contributions of
>>>>>>>>>> poor
>>>>>>>>>> diet and faulty-discipline to ADHD. Diet and discipline have declined
>>>>>>>>>> over time. It is a matter of record that our children have higher
>>>>>>>>>> incidents of obesity, and don't mention the condition of
>>>>>>>>>> child-discipline
>>>>>>>>>> in the nation."
>>>>>>>>> Diet, family discipline, and video games don't cause ADHD.
>>>>>>>> This study maybe of interest to you. Enjoy your day.
>>>>>>>> Roman Bystrianyk, "Flax seed oil and vitamin C improve ADHD", Health
>>>>>>>> Sentinel, January 8, 2006,
>>>>>>>> Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or ADHD, is the most
>>>>>>>> commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. The diagnosis
>>>>>>>> affects approximately 3-5% of school-going children. Studies have
>>>>>>>> established that certain long-chained fatty acids are critical for
>>>>>>>> normal brain development. Additional studies have show that
>>>>>>>> deficiencies or imbalances in these fatty acids contribute to ADHD.
>>>>>>>> Fatty acids, docosahexaenoic acid or DHA and eicosapentanoic acid or
>>>>>>>> EPA, are key for normal brain development and found in large amounts
>>>>>>>> in fish oil. Alpha linolenic acid, or ALA, is a precursor fatty acid
>>>>>>>> to DHA and is found in large amounts in flax seed oil. Children can
>>>>>>>> convert ALA to DHA, but the conversion is dependent on adequate
>>>>>>>> amounts of ALA and a low level of linoleic acid, or LA, in the diet.
>>>>>>>> LA is found in large amounts in corn, safflower, sunflower, and canola
>>>>>>>> oils.
>>>>>>>> A study in the January 2006 issue of the journal Prostaglandins,
>>>>>>>> Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids, examined 30 children diagnosed
>>>>>>>> with ADHD along with 30 healthy control children. They were given flax
>>>>>>>> oil supplements containing 200 mg of ALA along with 25 mg of vitamin C
>>>>>>>> two times a day for 3 months. A trained clinical psychologist analyzed
>>>>>>>> the children's behavior before and after the 3 months. The children's
>>>>>>>> blood cells were also analyzed before and after the supplementation to
>>>>>>>> determine the change in fatty acids.
>>>>>>>> It was found that at the end of the 3 months there was a "significant
>>>>>>>> increase" in the levels of both EPA and DHA. All ADHD measures were
>>>>>>>> improved after the 3 months. "Individual scores of Inattention,
>>>>>>>> Impulsivity, Restlessness and Self-Control reduced significantly post-
>>>>>>>> supplementation. SI [social problems] and I [learning problems] scores
>>>>>>>> constituting RPS [Related Problem Score] were found to be
>>>>>>>> significantly decreasing in the post-supplementation group."
>>>>>>>> All the children in the enrolled study completed the 3 months of
>>>>>>>> supplementation with no dropouts. The supplements were well accepted
>>>>>>>> by all the children and there were no side effects.
>>>>>>>> The authors conclude that, "All the symptoms like impulsivity,
>>>>>>>> restlessness, inattention, self-control, psychosomatic problems and
>>>>>>>> learning problems showed highly significant improvement. Social
>>>>>>>> problems and learning problems together constituted-related problems
>>>>>>>> score also dropped significantly. There is considerable evidence that
>>>>>>>> polyunsaturated fatty acid supplementation brought about improvement
>>>>>>>> in educational and behavioral problems among children with
>>>>>>>> developmental coordination disorder and reduction in ADHD-related
>>>>>>>> symptoms."
>>>>>>>> SOURCE: Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids,
>>>>>>>> January 2006
>>>>>>> This was a poor study design. The control group (normal kids) was different
>>>>>>> than the treatment group (ADHD kids). The control group and the treatment
>>>>>>> group should both have been kids with ADHD. The kids should have been
>>>>>>> randomly assigned to one group or the other. And both groups should have
>>>>>>> recieved pills (without anyone knowing what was in them).
>>>>>>> The results of the study as done are useless.
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> And perhaps this report ...
>>>>>> Jenny Hope, "Junk food diet 'makes children badly behaved'", Daily
>>>>>> Mail, May 3, 2005,
>>>>>> Link:
>>>>>> Diets high in processed foods are causing bad behaviour and learning
>>>>>> difficulties in children, scientists have warned.
>>>>>> They claim junk food stops the brain working properly, leading to
>>>>>> underachievement and a host of disorders.
>>>>>> Such foods not only lack the vitamins, minerals and essential fatty
>>>>>> acids that boost brain power but actually reduce the body's uptake of
>>>>>> nutrients that improve concentration, a study has found.
>>>>>> Thousands of children given medication to combat attention deficit
>>>>>> disorder might be better off simply improving their diet, according to
>>>>>> the research.
>>>>>> The Oxford University study showed that giving children essential fats
>>>>>> found in fish and nuts could improve their brain power.
>>>>>> Their ability to learn was increased and their behaviour dramatically
>>>>>> improved by supplementing their diets with such fats.
>>>>>> Startling results
>>>>>> Startling results in children who were underachieving and in some
>>>>>> cases being disruptive were recorded after just three months.
>>>>>> The study involved more than 100 British children battling with
>>>>>> physical co-ordination problems.
>>>>>> They were given daily supplements rich in omega-3 essential fats that
>>>>>> are vital for brain development but have been reduced in the national
>>>>>> diet over the last couple of decades.
>>>>>> In the study, around 40 per cent of children given omega-3 supplements
>>>>>> made dramatic improvements in reading and spelling.
>>>>>> There was also a significant improvement in concentration and
>>>>>> behaviour, according to a report in this month's issue of the American
>>>>>> journal Pediatrics.
>>>>>> Researchers were led by Dr Alexandra Richardson, from Oxford
>>>>>> University's department of physiology.
>>>>>> "What we've shown is that you can improve behaviour and learning with
>>>>>> these oils," she said.
>>>>>> "Food affects behaviour. To ignore the role of nutrition is
>>>>>> indefensible. If you paid attention to diet you could really make a
>>>>>> difference."
>>>>>> Patrick Holford, who runs the Brain Bio Centre which tackles mental
>>>>>> health problems through nutrition, said: "We're seeing outrageous
>>>>>> imbalances in brain chemistry caused by the kinds of foods that sadly
>>>>>> millions of kids are eating, and no one's doing anything about it.
>>>>>> "These kids are digging their own graves with a knife and fork. We
>>>>>> know some fats found in processed and fried foods should be avoided.
>>>>>> "However, there are other fats that are essential and a deficiency can
>>>>>> negatively impact on a child's behaviour."
>>>>>> The study involved 117 children aged five to 12 in schools in County
>>>>>> Durham.
>>>>>> The children were of normal ability but underachieving and suspected
>>>>>> of having dyspraxia, a condition that affects co-ordination. It is
>>>>>> thought to affect at least 5 per cent of British pupils.
>>>>>> Even greater numbers have learning and behavioural disorders such as
>>>>>> dyslexia and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Half the
>>>>>> children were given omega-3 essential fats capsules for three months,
>>>>>> while the remainder were given "dummy" treatment with capsules of
>>>>>> olive oil.
>>>>>> Making progress
>>>>>> Those on omega-3s made up to ten months' progress in reading in three
>>>>>> months, compared with those taking olive oil who made normal progress.
>>>>>> When the children swapped treatments, there was a similar jump forward
>>>>>> for those transferred to omega-3s for the second three-month period.
>>>>>> After three months on the supplements, half showed such improvement
>>>>>> they were no longer classified as having problems.
>>>>>> In some cases, children improved their reading age by up to four
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>> Dr Richardson, who is also co-director of the Food and Behaviour
>>>>>> Research charity, said unhealthy dietary fats can actually displace
>>>>>> the healthy fats in the brain.
>>>>>> Known as trans fats, they are mostly found in processed foods such as
>>>>>> crisps, biscuits and cakes.
>>>>>> Many teenagers get 40 per cent of their calories from fat.
>>>>>> The researchers are worried that such poor diets could permanently
>>>>>> damage brain development.
>>>>> Still, no blinding, placebo, etc.
>>>>> As for food and AD/HD, the diagnostic protocol for AD/HD provides that
>>>>> when all other causes of the behaviors have been ruled out, and the
>>>>> behaviors still exist, then the diagnosis of AD/HD is appropriate.
>>>>> If food is shown to cause the behaviors, then it is NOT AD/HD.
>>>> And this one with placebo?
>>> I would prefer to refer to this as "product testing" rather than a
>>> study. They are "testing" a specific retail product.
>>> This "study" is more than likely sponsored by the manufacturer. Using
>>> the typical alt logic applied in these newsgroups, it is therefore
>>> useless, except to promote sales.
>>> However, let's discuss it anyway.
>>>> "Omega-3 fish oil 'can treat ADHD'", Daily Telegraph, June 21, 2006,
>>>> Link:,20281,19540064-5001028,00.html
>>>> OMEGA-3 fish oil can be more effective than stimulant drugs commonly
>>>> prescribed for children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
>>>> (ADHD), according to new research.
>>>> The University of South Australia research tested a supplement called
>>>> eye q, a combination of omega-3 fish oil and omega-6 evening primrose
>>>> oil.
>>>> The supplement was tested on 132 ADHD children over a period of 15 to
>>>> 30 weeks.
>>>> At the end of the 30 week period, almost half of the children had
>>>> reduced ADHD symptoms, according to their parents who completed
>>>> assessment questionnaires for the study.
>>> Which half would that be?
>>>> For the initial 15 weeks of the study, children were divided into
>>>> three groups: one taking eye q; another eye q and a low dose multi
>>>> vitamin/mineral supplement and; a third group taking a placebo.
>>>> After 15 weeks, all children went on eye q and the multi vitamin/
>>>> minerals.
>>> What research model would this be? The effect on the placebo group is
>>> not mentioned.
>>>> "Around 30 per cent of the children had shown strong positive
>>>> treatment effects on the core ADHD symptoms of inattention and
>>>> hyperactivity-impulsivity compared to the placebo group after 15
>>>> weeks," study leader Natalie Sinn said.
>>> A nutritionist who is hyperfocused on fish oil.
>>>> "These effects were mirrored in the placebo group following their
>>>> switch to active treatment, and the fish oil groups continued to
>>>> improve after taking the supplement for a further 15 weeks.
>>>> "According to the data, the multi vitamin/mineral supplement had no
>>>> additional effects."
>>> Would be nice to see the data.
>>> BTW, Natalie Sinn gets ZERO hits on GoogleScholar.
>> She's not too quacky,
>> What worries me is that the study could have been influenced by the
>> suppliers of the Eye-Q product, who are, of course, touting the
>> as-yet-unpublished research to the rooftops.
>> A word on pricing:
>> 180 Eye-Q tablets (400mg fish oil, 100mg evening primrose oil) $62.95
>> And here's the ones I take:
>> 200 Nature's Own fish oil (1000mg fish oil) $20.25 (That's recommended
>> retail price - I pay less)
>> 200 Nature's Own EPO (1000mg) $29.00
>> It doesn't look like Eye-Q is a bargain, but I didn't expect it to be.
>I saw similar comments on some websites about its hefty price. Like I
>said, the "study" seems to be for marketing purposes and now looks even
>moreso, just to justify the inflated price. BTW, are the prices you
>quoted AU$ or US$?


>We went shopping at Woolworths on George St. and I found the prices
>there to be reasonable, except for items that were clearly imported. One
>of our regular purchases was double that what we pay at home, and we got
>half the product, thus a four-fold increase for a medical necessity.

That's not a typical supermarket and I would expect the pricing policy
there to be different to the Woolies at Winston Hills where I buy my
groceries. Rents in the Sydney CBD aren't cheap (although I suspect
that Woolworths owns the building and the land it sits on) and the
target market consists of people who have forgotten something and need
it quickly(*) and people who can afford $500,000 and upwards for a
small city apartment.

(*) I have been teaching one day a week at a business college in
Sydney for the last few weeks, and last Thursday I forgot to bring my
aspartame tablets for my coffee. I didn't even look at the price when
I grabbed a clicker of Equal in the George St Woolworths.
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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> Peter Bowditch

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Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday).

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> Peter Bowditch wrote:
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See Mark lie again........

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> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)> wrote:
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>>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)> wrote in message
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>>>>> <...>
>>>>> What makes one group who calls themselves "Christian" more "Christian"
>>>>> than another group?
>>>> Caring
>>> For all, even the homeless?
>>> Enough to share??

The anwer is NO he did not.

From: Peter Bowditch on
"jandew6" <jandrew6(a)> wrote:

>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)> wrote :
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)> wrote:
>> <snip unsubstantiated defamation>
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>> Peter Bowditch
>Typical liar.
<snip unsubstantiated defamation>
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From: Peter Bowditch on
"jandew6" <jandrew6(a)> wrote:

>"Peter Bowditch" THE LIAR AND HARASSER<myfirstname(a)> wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374(a)> wrote:
>>>"John Palmer" <jpalmer1(a)> wrote in message
>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:33:40 GMT, "Jeff" <news(a)> wrote:
>>>>>>> That's true of any drugs. I have read one of Peter Breggin's books.
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>> clearly doesn't, IMHO, understand ADHD.
>>>>>> ROTFLOL.
>>>>>> He tells it like it is.
>>>>>He tells it like he sees it. And what he sees is the royalties he gets
>>>>>his books sell.
>>>> He does neither. He's a liar.
And send him money.

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