From: Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe on
On Mar 12, 10:42 am, Mark Probert <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com>
wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
> > "Mark Probert" <markprob...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> >news:81eJh.4039$0W5.287(a)trndny05...
> > <...>
>
> > What makes one group who calls themselves "Christian" more "Christian"
> > than another group?
>
> Caring



Hey, Mark, thanks for the link. Bible studies can be a challenge when
the brain won't slow down enough. I've found that I can focus better
in our adult Sunday school class if I'm spinning with my drop
spindle. It keeps my hands busy enough that I can focus on the
discussion without worrying about something to fiddle with. I'll have
to see if there's something in the Bible Studies link of that site
that would work for me.

Kitten

From: Jan Drew on

"John Palmer" <jpalmer1(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:33:40 GMT, "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> That's true of any drugs. I have read one of Peter Breggin's books. He
>>>> clearly doesn't, IMHO, understand ADHD.
>>>
>>> ROTFLOL.
>>>
>>> He tells it like it is.
>>
>>He tells it like he sees it. And what he sees is the royalties he gets
>>when
>>his books sell.
>
> He does neither. He's a liar.
>
> I still remember his book on ECT. He took the number of reported uses
> of ECT in one area, and assumed *everywhere* in the US was *exactly*
> like that areas. He then decided that it would be underreported, and
> arbitrarily extended the number of uses to a given number that he
> thought was appropriately impressive.
>
> Now, it's possible that he's simply incompetent, unable to understand
> proper methods of using statistics. However, he portrays himself as an
> expert, while making such pitiful mistakes. You can't think of
> yourself as an expert while making such mistakes; word gets back to
> you, and if you're in any way honest, you'll check your work.
>
> So, Breggin *is* a liar, even if he's merely pretending to be
> something he isn't.

That's funny you were silent when both Joe and Mark were lying.

>
>
>>
>>I have heard people say, "My kid can't have ADHD because he can
>>concentrate
>>on video games and TV for hours on end. If he didn't have to stop to eat
>>and
>>pee, he would play from when he gets up until he goes to bed." Being able
>>to
>>concentrate on TV or video games is called hyperconcentration, and is a
>>symptom of ADHD.
>
> I've most often heard the term "hyperfocus". It's not (as far as I
> know) strictly speaking a *symptom* of ADHD, but it does happen quite
> frequently.
>
> (I'm not sure that it doesn't happen to ordinary folks from time to
> time, for example.)
>
>
> John Palmer
> --
> Everything I needed to know in life I learned in Kindergarten. Like:
> Beauty has a beginning, and an ending, but always lives beyond its span,
> in the hearts of many.


From: Jan Drew on

"John Palmer" <jpalmer1(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:33:40 GMT, "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> That's true of any drugs. I have read one of Peter Breggin's books. He
>>>> clearly doesn't, IMHO, understand ADHD.
>>>
>>> ROTFLOL.
>>>
>>> He tells it like it is.
>>
>>He tells it like he sees it. And what he sees is the royalties he gets
>>when
>>his books sell.
>
> He does neither. He's a liar.
>
> I still remember his book on ECT. He took the number of reported uses
> of ECT in one area, and assumed *everywhere* in the US was *exactly*
> like that areas. He then decided that it would be underreported, and
> arbitrarily extended the number of uses to a given number that he
> thought was appropriately impressive.
>
> Now, it's possible that he's simply incompetent, unable to understand
> proper methods of using statistics. However, he portrays himself as an
> expert, while making such pitiful mistakes. You can't think of
> yourself as an expert while making such mistakes; word gets back to
> you, and if you're in any way honest, you'll check your work.
>
> So, Breggin *is* a liar, even if he's merely pretending to be
> something he isn't.
>
>
>>
>>I have heard people say, "My kid can't have ADHD because he can
>>concentrate
>>on video games and TV for hours on end. If he didn't have to stop to eat
>>and
>>pee, he would play from when he gets up until he goes to bed." Being able
>>to
>>concentrate on TV or video games is called hyperconcentration, and is a
>>symptom of ADHD.
>
> I've most often heard the term "hyperfocus". It's not (as far as I
> know) strictly speaking a *symptom* of ADHD, but it does happen quite
> frequently.
>
> (I'm not sure that it doesn't happen to ordinary folks from time to
> time, for example.)
>
>
> John Palmer
> --
> Everything I needed to know in life I learned in Kindergarten. Like:
> Beauty has a beginning, and an ending, but always lives beyond its span,
> in the hearts of many.


From: Jan Drew on

"John Palmer" <jpalmer1(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jopav29psjmsekcqnku2b3b9af14pblvmf(a)4ax.com...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:33:40 GMT, "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> That's true of any drugs. I have read one of Peter Breggin's books. He
>>>> clearly doesn't, IMHO, understand ADHD.
>>>
>>> ROTFLOL.
>>>
>>> He tells it like it is.
>>
>>He tells it like he sees it. And what he sees is the royalties he gets
>>when
>>his books sell.
>
> He does neither. He's a liar.
>
> I still remember his book on ECT. He took the number of reported uses
> of ECT in one area, and assumed *everywhere* in the US was *exactly*
> like that areas. He then decided that it would be underreported, and
> arbitrarily extended the number of uses to a given number that he
> thought was appropriately impressive.
>
> Now, it's possible that he's simply incompetent, unable to understand
> proper methods of using statistics. However, he portrays himself as an
> expert, while making such pitiful mistakes. You can't think of
> yourself as an expert while making such mistakes; word gets back to
> you, and if you're in any way honest, you'll check your work.
>
> So, Breggin *is* a liar, even if he's merely pretending to be
> something he isn't.
>
>
>>
>>I have heard people say, "My kid can't have ADHD because he can
>>concentrate
>>on video games and TV for hours on end. If he didn't have to stop to eat
>>and
>>pee, he would play from when he gets up until he goes to bed." Being able
>>to
>>concentrate on TV or video games is called hyperconcentration, and is a
>>symptom of ADHD.
>
> I've most often heard the term "hyperfocus". It's not (as far as I
> know) strictly speaking a *symptom* of ADHD, but it does happen quite
> frequently.
>
> (I'm not sure that it doesn't happen to ordinary folks from time to
> time, for example.)
>
>
> John Palmer
> --
> Everything I needed to know in life I learned in Kindergarten. Like:
> Beauty has a beginning, and an ending, but always lives beyond its span,
> in the hearts of many.


From: Jan Drew on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 7:56 am, "Jeff" <n...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystria...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1173703215.408421.218430(a)j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> While the research concerning ADD and ADHD has been around for
>>>>>> decades,
>>>>>> DavidSon said he observed increased diagnoses in the mid-1980s and
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the 1990s. "Initially, young boys were primarily the ones diagnosed
>>>>>> followed by girls and then adults. I cannot speak for other
>>>>>> practices,
>>>>>> but I noted the growth was consistent with the expansion and
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> of video games. Additionally, you must consider the contributions of
>>>>>> poor
>>>>>> diet and faulty-discipline to ADHD. Diet and discipline have
>>>>>> declined
>>>>>> over time. It is a matter of record that our children have higher
>>>>>> incidents of obesity, and don't mention the condition of
>>>>>> child-discipline
>>>>>> in the nation."
>>>>> Diet, family discipline, and video games don't cause ADHD.
>>>> This study maybe of interest to you. Enjoy your day.
>>>> Roman Bystrianyk, "Flax seed oil and vitamin C improve ADHD", Health
>>>> Sentinel, January 8, 2006,
>>>> Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or ADHD, is the most
>>>> commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. The diagnosis
>>>> affects approximately 3-5% of school-going children. Studies have
>>>> established that certain long-chained fatty acids are critical for
>>>> normal brain development. Additional studies have show that
>>>> deficiencies or imbalances in these fatty acids contribute to ADHD.
>>>> Fatty acids, docosahexaenoic acid or DHA and eicosapentanoic acid or
>>>> EPA, are key for normal brain development and found in large amounts
>>>> in fish oil. Alpha linolenic acid, or ALA, is a precursor fatty acid
>>>> to DHA and is found in large amounts in flax seed oil. Children can
>>>> convert ALA to DHA, but the conversion is dependent on adequate
>>>> amounts of ALA and a low level of linoleic acid, or LA, in the diet.
>>>> LA is found in large amounts in corn, safflower, sunflower, and canola
>>>> oils.
>>>> A study in the January 2006 issue of the journal Prostaglandins,
>>>> Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids, examined 30 children diagnosed
>>>> with ADHD along with 30 healthy control children. They were given flax
>>>> oil supplements containing 200 mg of ALA along with 25 mg of vitamin C
>>>> two times a day for 3 months. A trained clinical psychologist analyzed
>>>> the children's behavior before and after the 3 months. The children's
>>>> blood cells were also analyzed before and after the supplementation to
>>>> determine the change in fatty acids.
>>>> It was found that at the end of the 3 months there was a "significant
>>>> increase" in the levels of both EPA and DHA. All ADHD measures were
>>>> improved after the 3 months. "Individual scores of Inattention,
>>>> Impulsivity, Restlessness and Self-Control reduced significantly post-
>>>> supplementation. SI [social problems] and I [learning problems] scores
>>>> constituting RPS [Related Problem Score] were found to be
>>>> significantly decreasing in the post-supplementation group."
>>>> All the children in the enrolled study completed the 3 months of
>>>> supplementation with no dropouts. The supplements were well accepted
>>>> by all the children and there were no side effects.
>>>> The authors conclude that, "All the symptoms like impulsivity,
>>>> restlessness, inattention, self-control, psychosomatic problems and
>>>> learning problems showed highly significant improvement. Social
>>>> problems and learning problems together constituted-related problems
>>>> score also dropped significantly. There is considerable evidence that
>>>> polyunsaturated fatty acid supplementation brought about improvement
>>>> in educational and behavioral problems among children with
>>>> developmental coordination disorder and reduction in ADHD-related
>>>> symptoms."
>>>> SOURCE: Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids,
>>>> January 2006
>>> This was a poor study design. The control group (normal kids) was
>>> different
>>> than the treatment group (ADHD kids). The control group and the
>>> treatment
>>> group should both have been kids with ADHD. The kids should have been
>>> randomly assigned to one group or the other. And both groups should have
>>> recieved pills (without anyone knowing what was in them).
>>>
>>> The results of the study as done are useless.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> And perhaps this report ...
>>
>> Jenny Hope, "Junk food diet 'makes children badly behaved'", Daily
>> Mail, May 3, 2005,
>> Link:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/womenfamily.html?in_article_id=347122&in_page_id=1799
>>
>> Diets high in processed foods are causing bad behaviour and learning
>> difficulties in children, scientists have warned.
>>
>> They claim junk food stops the brain working properly, leading to
>> underachievement and a host of disorders.
>>
>> Such foods not only lack the vitamins, minerals and essential fatty
>> acids that boost brain power but actually reduce the body's uptake of
>> nutrients that improve concentration, a study has found.
>>
>> Thousands of children given medication to combat attention deficit
>> disorder might be better off simply improving their diet, according to
>> the research.
>>
>> The Oxford University study showed that giving children essential fats
>> found in fish and nuts could improve their brain power.
>>
>> Their ability to learn was increased and their behaviour dramatically
>> improved by supplementing their diets with such fats.
>>
>> Startling results
>>
>> Startling results in children who were underachieving and in some
>> cases being disruptive were recorded after just three months.
>>
>> The study involved more than 100 British children battling with
>> physical co-ordination problems.
>>
>> They were given daily supplements rich in omega-3 essential fats that
>> are vital for brain development but have been reduced in the national
>> diet over the last couple of decades.
>>
>> In the study, around 40 per cent of children given omega-3 supplements
>> made dramatic improvements in reading and spelling.
>>
>> There was also a significant improvement in concentration and
>> behaviour, according to a report in this month's issue of the American
>> journal Pediatrics.
>>
>> Researchers were led by Dr Alexandra Richardson, from Oxford
>> University's department of physiology.
>>
>> "What we've shown is that you can improve behaviour and learning with
>> these oils," she said.
>>
>> "Food affects behaviour. To ignore the role of nutrition is
>> indefensible. If you paid attention to diet you could really make a
>> difference."
>>
>> Patrick Holford, who runs the Brain Bio Centre which tackles mental
>> health problems through nutrition, said: "We're seeing outrageous
>> imbalances in brain chemistry caused by the kinds of foods that sadly
>> millions of kids are eating, and no one's doing anything about it.
>>
>> "These kids are digging their own graves with a knife and fork. We
>> know some fats found in processed and fried foods should be avoided.
>>
>> "However, there are other fats that are essential and a deficiency can
>> negatively impact on a child's behaviour."
>>
>> The study involved 117 children aged five to 12 in schools in County
>> Durham.
>>
>> The children were of normal ability but underachieving and suspected
>> of having dyspraxia, a condition that affects co-ordination. It is
>> thought to affect at least 5 per cent of British pupils.
>>
>> Even greater numbers have learning and behavioural disorders such as
>> dyslexia and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Half the
>> children were given omega-3 essential fats capsules for three months,
>> while the remainder were given "dummy" treatment with capsules of
>> olive oil.
>>
>> Making progress
>>
>> Those on omega-3s made up to ten months' progress in reading in three
>> months, compared with those taking olive oil who made normal progress.
>>
>> When the children swapped treatments, there was a similar jump forward
>> for those transferred to omega-3s for the second three-month period.
>>
>> After three months on the supplements, half showed such improvement
>> they were no longer classified as having problems.
>>
>> In some cases, children improved their reading age by up to four
>> years.
>>
>> Dr Richardson, who is also co-director of the Food and Behaviour
>> Research charity, said unhealthy dietary fats can actually displace
>> the healthy fats in the brain.
>>
>> Known as trans fats, they are mostly found in processed foods such as
>> crisps, biscuits and cakes.
>>
>> Many teenagers get 40 per cent of their calories from fat.
>>
>> The researchers are worried that such poor diets could permanently
>> damage brain development.
>>
>
>
> Still, no blinding, placebo, etc.
>
> As for food and AD/HD, the diagnostic protocol for AD/HD provides that
> when all other causes of the behaviors have been ruled out, and the
> behaviors still exist, then the diagnosis of AD/HD is appropriate.
>
> If food is shown to cause the behaviors, then it is NOT AD/HD.
>