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"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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What makes one group who calls themselves "Christian" more "Christian" than
another group?

From: Mark Probert on
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:56 am, "Jeff" <n...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystria...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1173703215.408421.218430(a)j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> While the research concerning ADD and ADHD has been around for decades,
>>>>> DavidSon said he observed increased diagnoses in the mid-1980s and into
>>>>> the 1990s. "Initially, young boys were primarily the ones diagnosed
>>>>> followed by girls and then adults. I cannot speak for other practices,
>>>>> but I noted the growth was consistent with the expansion and
>>>>> development
>>>>> of video games. Additionally, you must consider the contributions of
>>>>> poor
>>>>> diet and faulty-discipline to ADHD. Diet and discipline have declined
>>>>> over time. It is a matter of record that our children have higher
>>>>> incidents of obesity, and don't mention the condition of
>>>>> child-discipline
>>>>> in the nation."
>>>> Diet, family discipline, and video games don't cause ADHD.
>>> This study maybe of interest to you. Enjoy your day.
>>> Roman Bystrianyk, "Flax seed oil and vitamin C improve ADHD", Health
>>> Sentinel, January 8, 2006,
>>> Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or ADHD, is the most
>>> commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. The diagnosis
>>> affects approximately 3-5% of school-going children. Studies have
>>> established that certain long-chained fatty acids are critical for
>>> normal brain development. Additional studies have show that
>>> deficiencies or imbalances in these fatty acids contribute to ADHD.
>>> Fatty acids, docosahexaenoic acid or DHA and eicosapentanoic acid or
>>> EPA, are key for normal brain development and found in large amounts
>>> in fish oil. Alpha linolenic acid, or ALA, is a precursor fatty acid
>>> to DHA and is found in large amounts in flax seed oil. Children can
>>> convert ALA to DHA, but the conversion is dependent on adequate
>>> amounts of ALA and a low level of linoleic acid, or LA, in the diet.
>>> LA is found in large amounts in corn, safflower, sunflower, and canola
>>> oils.
>>> A study in the January 2006 issue of the journal Prostaglandins,
>>> Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids, examined 30 children diagnosed
>>> with ADHD along with 30 healthy control children. They were given flax
>>> oil supplements containing 200 mg of ALA along with 25 mg of vitamin C
>>> two times a day for 3 months. A trained clinical psychologist analyzed
>>> the children's behavior before and after the 3 months. The children's
>>> blood cells were also analyzed before and after the supplementation to
>>> determine the change in fatty acids.
>>> It was found that at the end of the 3 months there was a "significant
>>> increase" in the levels of both EPA and DHA. All ADHD measures were
>>> improved after the 3 months. "Individual scores of Inattention,
>>> Impulsivity, Restlessness and Self-Control reduced significantly post-
>>> supplementation. SI [social problems] and I [learning problems] scores
>>> constituting RPS [Related Problem Score] were found to be
>>> significantly decreasing in the post-supplementation group."
>>> All the children in the enrolled study completed the 3 months of
>>> supplementation with no dropouts. The supplements were well accepted
>>> by all the children and there were no side effects.
>>> The authors conclude that, "All the symptoms like impulsivity,
>>> restlessness, inattention, self-control, psychosomatic problems and
>>> learning problems showed highly significant improvement. Social
>>> problems and learning problems together constituted-related problems
>>> score also dropped significantly. There is considerable evidence that
>>> polyunsaturated fatty acid supplementation brought about improvement
>>> in educational and behavioral problems among children with
>>> developmental coordination disorder and reduction in ADHD-related
>>> symptoms."
>>> SOURCE: Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids,
>>> January 2006
>> This was a poor study design. The control group (normal kids) was different
>> than the treatment group (ADHD kids). The control group and the treatment
>> group should both have been kids with ADHD. The kids should have been
>> randomly assigned to one group or the other. And both groups should have
>> recieved pills (without anyone knowing what was in them).
>>
>> The results of the study as done are useless.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> And perhaps this report ...
>
> Jenny Hope, "Junk food diet 'makes children badly behaved'", Daily
> Mail, May 3, 2005,
> Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/womenfamily.html?in_article_id=347122&in_page_id=1799
>
> Diets high in processed foods are causing bad behaviour and learning
> difficulties in children, scientists have warned.
>
> They claim junk food stops the brain working properly, leading to
> underachievement and a host of disorders.
>
> Such foods not only lack the vitamins, minerals and essential fatty
> acids that boost brain power but actually reduce the body's uptake of
> nutrients that improve concentration, a study has found.
>
> Thousands of children given medication to combat attention deficit
> disorder might be better off simply improving their diet, according to
> the research.
>
> The Oxford University study showed that giving children essential fats
> found in fish and nuts could improve their brain power.
>
> Their ability to learn was increased and their behaviour dramatically
> improved by supplementing their diets with such fats.
>
> Startling results
>
> Startling results in children who were underachieving and in some
> cases being disruptive were recorded after just three months.
>
> The study involved more than 100 British children battling with
> physical co-ordination problems.
>
> They were given daily supplements rich in omega-3 essential fats that
> are vital for brain development but have been reduced in the national
> diet over the last couple of decades.
>
> In the study, around 40 per cent of children given omega-3 supplements
> made dramatic improvements in reading and spelling.
>
> There was also a significant improvement in concentration and
> behaviour, according to a report in this month's issue of the American
> journal Pediatrics.
>
> Researchers were led by Dr Alexandra Richardson, from Oxford
> University's department of physiology.
>
> "What we've shown is that you can improve behaviour and learning with
> these oils," she said.
>
> "Food affects behaviour. To ignore the role of nutrition is
> indefensible. If you paid attention to diet you could really make a
> difference."
>
> Patrick Holford, who runs the Brain Bio Centre which tackles mental
> health problems through nutrition, said: "We're seeing outrageous
> imbalances in brain chemistry caused by the kinds of foods that sadly
> millions of kids are eating, and no one's doing anything about it.
>
> "These kids are digging their own graves with a knife and fork. We
> know some fats found in processed and fried foods should be avoided.
>
> "However, there are other fats that are essential and a deficiency can
> negatively impact on a child's behaviour."
>
> The study involved 117 children aged five to 12 in schools in County
> Durham.
>
> The children were of normal ability but underachieving and suspected
> of having dyspraxia, a condition that affects co-ordination. It is
> thought to affect at least 5 per cent of British pupils.
>
> Even greater numbers have learning and behavioural disorders such as
> dyslexia and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Half the
> children were given omega-3 essential fats capsules for three months,
> while the remainder were given "dummy" treatment with capsules of
> olive oil.
>
> Making progress
>
> Those on omega-3s made up to ten months' progress in reading in three
> months, compared with those taking olive oil who made normal progress.
>
> When the children swapped treatments, there was a similar jump forward
> for those transferred to omega-3s for the second three-month period.
>
> After three months on the supplements, half showed such improvement
> they were no longer classified as having problems.
>
> In some cases, children improved their reading age by up to four
> years.
>
> Dr Richardson, who is also co-director of the Food and Behaviour
> Research charity, said unhealthy dietary fats can actually displace
> the healthy fats in the brain.
>
> Known as trans fats, they are mostly found in processed foods such as
> crisps, biscuits and cakes.
>
> Many teenagers get 40 per cent of their calories from fat.
>
> The researchers are worried that such poor diets could permanently
> damage brain development.
>


Still, no blinding, placebo, etc.

As for food and AD/HD, the diagnostic protocol for AD/HD provides that
when all other causes of the behaviors have been ruled out, and the
behaviors still exist, then the diagnosis of AD/HD is appropriate.

If food is shown to cause the behaviors, then it is NOT AD/HD.

From: Jeff on

"Mark Probert" <markprobert(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:f3eJh.4041$0W5.1920(a)trndny05...
> Jeff wrote:
>>
>> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1173703215.408421.218430(a)j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > While the research concerning ADD and ADHD has been around for
>>>> decades,
>>>> > DavidSon said he observed increased diagnoses in the mid-1980s and
>>>> into
>>>> > the 1990s. "Initially, young boys were primarily the ones diagnosed
>>>> > followed by girls and then adults. I cannot speak for other
>>>> practices,
>>>> > but I noted the growth was consistent with the expansion and >
>>>> development
>>>> > of video games. Additionally, you must consider the contributions
>>>> of > poor
>>>> > diet and faulty-discipline to ADHD. Diet and discipline have
>>>> > declined
>>>> > over time. It is a matter of record that our children have higher
>>>> > incidents of obesity, and don't mention the condition of >
>>>> child-discipline
>>>> > in the nation."
>>>>
>>>> Diet, family discipline, and video games don't cause ADHD.
>>>
>>> This study maybe of interest to you. Enjoy your day.
>>>
>>> Roman Bystrianyk, "Flax seed oil and vitamin C improve ADHD", Health
>>> Sentinel, January 8, 2006,
>>>
>>> Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or ADHD, is the most
>>> commonly diagnosed behavioral disorder in children. The diagnosis
>>> affects approximately 3-5% of school-going children. Studies have
>>> established that certain long-chained fatty acids are critical for
>>> normal brain development. Additional studies have show that
>>> deficiencies or imbalances in these fatty acids contribute to ADHD.
>>>
>>> Fatty acids, docosahexaenoic acid or DHA and eicosapentanoic acid or
>>> EPA, are key for normal brain development and found in large amounts
>>> in fish oil. Alpha linolenic acid, or ALA, is a precursor fatty acid
>>> to DHA and is found in large amounts in flax seed oil. Children can
>>> convert ALA to DHA, but the conversion is dependent on adequate
>>> amounts of ALA and a low level of linoleic acid, or LA, in the diet.
>>> LA is found in large amounts in corn, safflower, sunflower, and canola
>>> oils.
>>>
>>> A study in the January 2006 issue of the journal Prostaglandins,
>>> Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids, examined 30 children diagnosed
>>> with ADHD along with 30 healthy control children. They were given flax
>>> oil supplements containing 200 mg of ALA along with 25 mg of vitamin C
>>> two times a day for 3 months. A trained clinical psychologist analyzed
>>> the children's behavior before and after the 3 months. The children's
>>> blood cells were also analyzed before and after the supplementation to
>>> determine the change in fatty acids.
>>>
>>> It was found that at the end of the 3 months there was a "significant
>>> increase" in the levels of both EPA and DHA. All ADHD measures were
>>> improved after the 3 months. "Individual scores of Inattention,
>>> Impulsivity, Restlessness and Self-Control reduced significantly post-
>>> supplementation. SI [social problems] and I [learning problems] scores
>>> constituting RPS [Related Problem Score] were found to be
>>> significantly decreasing in the post-supplementation group."
>>>
>>> All the children in the enrolled study completed the 3 months of
>>> supplementation with no dropouts. The supplements were well accepted
>>> by all the children and there were no side effects.
>>>
>>> The authors conclude that, "All the symptoms like impulsivity,
>>> restlessness, inattention, self-control, psychosomatic problems and
>>> learning problems showed highly significant improvement. Social
>>> problems and learning problems together constituted-related problems
>>> score also dropped significantly. There is considerable evidence that
>>> polyunsaturated fatty acid supplementation brought about improvement
>>> in educational and behavioral problems among children with
>>> developmental coordination disorder and reduction in ADHD-related
>>> symptoms."
>>>
>>> SOURCE: Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids,
>>> January 2006
>>
>> This was a poor study design. The control group (normal kids) was
>> different than the treatment group (ADHD kids). The control group and the
>> treatment group should both have been kids with ADHD. The kids should
>> have been randomly assigned to one group or the other. And both groups
>> should have recieved pills (without anyone knowing what was in them).
>>
>> The results of the study as done are useless.
>
> Agreed. In addition to placebo and blinding, they could have added a
> crossover component.

That would require knowledge of experimental design, something not in
evidence.

Jeff

From: MothWrangler on
Jeff wrote:


>>> That's nonsense. Kids with ADHD can sustain concentration on some
>>> things for a long period of time. In fact, this hyperattention is
>>> part of ADHD.
>>
>>
>> Look up the symptomes of ADHD.
>
>
> Having difficulty with concentration does not mean that you can't
> concentrate on some things. Video games is one of the things that people
> with ADHD can concentrate on for a long period of time. TV is another.
>
> I have heard people say, "My kid can't have ADHD because he can
> concentrate on video games and TV for hours on end. If he didn't have to
> stop to eat and pee, he would play from when he gets up until he goes to
> bed." Being able to concentrate on TV or video games is called
> hyperconcentration, and is a symptom of ADHD.

And the reason that some individuals with ADHD can concentrate for long
periods of time (AKA hyperfocus) on highly stimulating activities like
video games and TV, is that those activities are not only highly
stimulating, but also provide instant and constant rewards.

Activities which are not highly stimulating or rewarding don't hold the
attention of those with ADHD. Activities like doing school work, which
may provide future, but not present rewards, and are not exactly
exciting, are not likely to hold the interest of those with ADHD.


Nancy
Unique, like everyone else


From: Mark Probert on
MothWrangler wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
>
>>>> That's nonsense. Kids with ADHD can sustain concentration on some
>>>> things for a long period of time. In fact, this hyperattention is
>>>> part of ADHD.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look up the symptomes of ADHD.
>>
>>
>> Having difficulty with concentration does not mean that you can't
>> concentrate on some things. Video games is one of the things that
>> people with ADHD can concentrate on for a long period of time. TV is
>> another.
>>
>> I have heard people say, "My kid can't have ADHD because he can
>> concentrate on video games and TV for hours on end. If he didn't have
>> to stop to eat and pee, he would play from when he gets up until he
>> goes to bed." Being able to concentrate on TV or video games is called
>> hyperconcentration, and is a symptom of ADHD.
>
> And the reason that some individuals with ADHD can concentrate for long
> periods of time (AKA hyperfocus) on highly stimulating activities like
> video games and TV, is that those activities are not only highly
> stimulating, but also provide instant and constant rewards.
>
> Activities which are not highly stimulating or rewarding don't hold the
> attention of those with ADHD. Activities like doing school work, which
> may provide future, but not present rewards, and are not exactly
> exciting, are not likely to hold the interest of those with ADHD.

What is often forgotten about attention/focus in the AD/HDer is that
they cannot control where they place their attention/focus.