From: D. C. Sessions on
Apparently, smallpox may have been good for
something after all: it may have given some
partial immunity to AIDS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8686750.stm

Well, OK, the vaccine seems to be of some use
against HIV/AIDS. But it's not too large a
stretch to conclude that smallpox might have
had the same effect.

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From: trigonometry1972 on
On May 18, 3:01 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> Apparently, smallpox may have been good for
> something after all: it may have given some
> partial immunity to AIDS
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8686750.stm
>
> Well, OK, the vaccine seems to be of some use
> against HIV/AIDS.  But it's not too large a
> stretch to conclude that smallpox might have
> had the same effect.
>
> --
> | The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
> | chance that someone will see the light. |
> +- D. C. Sessions <d...(a)lumbercartel.com> -+

Well its a hypothesis anyway. It may have been
just a matter of timing unrelated to smallpox
vaccination.

A smallpox vaccination is contraindicated in persons
with a HIV infection.

Perhaps smallpox should be reintroduced as a test
of the hypothesis? Does being scarred from a smallpox
infection reduce the frequency of sexual contacts?
Does a wave of small pox in the population alter the
forms of untreated leprosy/hansen's disease in
the afflicted? Would the infection tend to sweep out
the HIV infected from the living population?

The last one sounds pretty likely so what do you think, folks?


TrIg

From: john on

"D. C. Sessions" <dcs(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:cbfbc7-71o.ln1(a)news.lumbercartel.com...
> Apparently, smallpox may have been good for
> something after all: it may have given some
> partial immunity to AIDS
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8686750.stm

Such a load of bollocks

"Experts say the vaccine used to wipe out smallpox offered some protection
against the Aids virus and, now it is no longer used, HIV has flourished."

Smallpox vaccine was implicated in introducing AIDS
http://whale.to/vaccines/aids1.htm

>
> Well, OK, the vaccine seems to be of some use
> against HIV/AIDS. But it's not too large a
> stretch to conclude that smallpox might have
> had the same effect.
>

personally I think HIV is a fabrication, at the least completely harmless
http://whale.to/aids.html

while the drugs and aids umbrella diagnosis are the real cause


From: D. C. Sessions on
In message <iKmdnawXVa1_v27WnZ2dnUVZ7tSdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, john wrote:

>
> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:cbfbc7-71o.ln1(a)news.lumbercartel.com...
>> Apparently, smallpox may have been good for
>> something after all: it may have given some
>> partial immunity to AIDS
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8686750.stm
>
> Such a load of bollocks
>
> "Experts say the vaccine used to wipe out smallpox offered some protection
> against the Aids virus and, now it is no longer used, HIV has flourished."
>
> Smallpox vaccine was implicated in introducing AIDS
> http://whale.to/vaccines/aids1.htm

That makes sense -- after all, AIDS appeared right after
smallpox vaccination began, and in the same places too.
Then when smallpox vaccination ended, so did AIDS.

Oh, wait ...

>> Well, OK, the vaccine seems to be of some use
>> against HIV/AIDS. But it's not too large a
>> stretch to conclude that smallpox might have
>> had the same effect.
>>
>
> personally I think HIV is a fabrication, at the least completely harmless
> http://whale.to/aids.html
>
> while the drugs and aids umbrella diagnosis are the real cause

That explains Eliza Jane Scovill and Christine Maggiore.

Or not.

--
| The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
| chance that someone will see the light. |
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From: trigonometry1972 on
On May 18, 3:01 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> Apparently, smallpox may have been good for
> something after all: it may have given some
> partial immunity to AIDS
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8686750.stm
>
> Well, OK, the vaccine seems to be of some use
> against HIV/AIDS.  But it's not too large a
> stretch to conclude that smallpox might have
> had the same effect.
>
> --
> | The brighter the stupid burns, the more |
> | chance that someone will see the light. |
> +- D. C. Sessions <d...(a)lumbercartel.com> -+

Perhaps the smallpox didn't suppress the spread
of HIV by improving immune response by rather
by speeding the downhill slide of the disease's
progression to AIDs and death. Thus perhaps
the vaccine may have been sweeping the infected
out of the population.

Anyway the hypothesis that the vaccine held
a benefit may just be a product of chance and/or
confluent social changes in the region were the
virus was endemic prior to the 70's. Some in
some regions it was already well-established by the
mid-70's as I recall.

Perhaps the pox virus can be reintroduced?
Then we'd get to see if a pox scarred person
has few lovers? Perhaps it would
support your hypothesis that having the pox
reduces the transmission of the HIV. And then
experts might sort out the mechanism, whether it was by
a deadly synergism or by a secondary benefit
of a deadly disease?

Wasn't there a proposal in the past to use a recombinate
smallpox vaccine virus to vaccinate for other diseases?
So perhaps such a thing might permit an ethical
test of the primary hypothesis we are musing on.

Nor should we assume the vaccine operation were fully
risk free in the past. It is possible some instruments were
reused such that a rising epidemic got spread even more rapidly
in areas of bad practice. Certainly HIV was spread later
by the treatment of malaria anemia by way of blood transfusions
in backwater African clinics that lacked sufficient meds but
had used transfusion needles, tubes, and bags. They would
just grab a relative do a simple cross match and transfuse.
What could go wrong? :-( This happened to thousands
of kids in Africa.

Timing, timing.......................Trig