From: Mark Probert-Drew on
On Mar 19, 4:56 pm, Bob Officer <boboffic...(a)127.0.0.7> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:42:19 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Mike
>
> <M...(a)localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> >Bob Officer wrote:
> >> There is no coupling mechanism between Autism and Vaccines.
>
> >There is no coupling mechanism between autism and anything,
> >for that matter. The mechanisms are not known - yet.
>
> We see, there is no coupling mechanism for vaccines.
>
> If you think there is, I would also bet you believe in the invisible
> sky pixie and astrology too.

Bob, Mikey is saying just that. Like a broken perpetual calander he is
right once in a millenium.

From: Mark Probert-Drew on
On Mar 20, 2:19 pm, Bob Officer <boboffic...(a)127.0.0.7> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:27:01 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 19, 4:56 pm, Bob Officer <boboffic...(a)127.0.0.7> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:42:19 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Mike
>
> >> <M...(a)localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> >> >Bob Officer wrote:
> >> >> There is no coupling mechanism between Autism and Vaccines.
>
> >> >There is no coupling mechanism between autism and anything,
> >> >for that matter. The mechanisms are not known - yet.
>
> >> We see, there is no coupling mechanism for vaccines.
>
> >> If you think there is, I would also bet you believe in the invisible
> >> sky pixie and astrology too.
>
> >Bob, Mikey is saying just that. Like a broken perpetual calander he is
> >right once in a millenium.
>
> He doesn't understand what was said or why. She wasn't demanding they
> do not report what the people are saying. But to give them any
> credence at all is wrong. Just as every once in a while I like
> reading about UFO Nuts and Flat Earther believers, There is no reason
> for the press to give them any credibility at all.
>
> Recently the reports of UFO's were swarming in locally on to police
> authorities. People lines the streets watching the UFO dodge and
> swoop.
>
> Dozens of people were interviewed and reports on size and speeds
> varied greatly. What the people were watching was a small electric
> Powered Glider RC aircraft.
>
> The proper conclusion was gathered, most people are not good
> observers and make wrong guesses as size and speed.
>
> BTW this is most amazing RC aircraft. I can see lots of Mil/LEO uses
> and it is inexpensive and flown using a Wi-FI I-touch app.
>

Last night there was an incredibly bright pass of the ISS. People in
the parking lots were pointing up and asking if it was a UFO. When I
pointed out it was the ISS, they scoffed. However, my phone linked to
a website that lists passes. They quickly lost interest in the ISS\.

From: Mike on
Mark Probert wrote:
> On Mar 18, 9:51 pm, Mike <M...(a)localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>> Ms. WRONG has a serious reading comprehension problem. This yarn is
>>>>> taken from a Readers Digest article by Arthur Allen, who is certainly
>>>>> diametrically the opposite of Mr. Allen on the issue of vaccines. Mr.
>>>>> Allen quotes:
>>>>> "We have reached out to media outlets to try to get them to not give
>>>>> the views of these people equal weight in their reporting to what
>>>>> science has shown and continues to show about the safety of vaccines."
>>>>> http://www.rd.com/health-slideshows/h1n1-the-report-card/article17474...
>>>>> These is NO call for censorship or anything else Katie WRONG whines
>>>>> about. Madame Secretary is correctly pointing out that the views of
>>>>> the anti-vaxxers arenot supported by sceince or facts. Thus, they
>>>>> should not be given equal weight.
>>>> No Sir, this IS censorship when it comes from the government.
>>>> Saying "they should not be given equal weight" is one thing,
>>>> saying the same thing from a position of a Cabinet Secretary is quite
>>>> different. Reaching out to the media and asking them for preferential
>>>> treatment for yourself and limiting opposing views IS censorship.
>>>> Even if you believe that you are censoring the bad guys (and even if
>>>> they were bad guys) it is censorship.
>>>>> I see nothing wrong with that. It is akin to having to give equal
>>>>> weight to flat-earthers, moon-landing hoaxers, Holocausr deniers and
>>>>> 9/11 truthers.
>>>> If a NASA official would ask the media not to give equal weight to
>>>> moon-landing hoaxers it would indicate that NASA has a credibility
>>>> problem.
>>> What you are doing is censoring the knowledgeable experts, because you
>>> do not agree with them, simply because they work for the government.
>> No, Sir, I am not calling for censorship. You do. The government will
>> never have any difficulty expressing its points. But when it wants to
>> create such hurdles to those with opposing views - this is called
>> censorship.
>>
>> By the way, your last sentence can be turned on you: what you are doing
>> is censoring the knowledgeable experts, because you do not agree with
>> them.-
>
> Censorship is the control of what people read, write, see, or hear.
> The key word being CONTROL. Regardless of her position in government,
> she has the absolute right to express herself. Period. End of
> discussion. What you seem to be proposing is that because she is in
> government, she cannot fully express herself.
>

Expressing herself is quite different from asking the media not to let
others to express themselves - that is to control what people read, see
and hear. This is censorship. End of discussion.

> As for agreeing with experts, you are quite right. I agree with the
> experts who have facts, science and logic. The anti-vac "experts" have
> none of these factors. Like moon landing hoaxers.
>
From: Mike on
Mark Probert wrote:
> On Mar 18, 9:42 pm, Mike <M...(a)localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>> Bob Officer wrote:
>>> There is no coupling mechanism between Autism and Vaccines.
>> There is no coupling mechanism between autism and anything,
>> for that matter. The mechanisms are not known -
>
> There are very substantial studies that show there is a strong genetic
> component. Whether it is all genetic, or there are other factors, is
> unknown.

It is known that it is NOT all genetic. There are instances
of identical twins, with only one having the disease.

The word "strong" here is meaningless because there is no number
attached to it. Without that it is pure PR. The mechanism is unknown.

Phenylketonuria appears to be purely genetic. But it isn't.
The mechanism is known. It is lactose intolerance, and subsequent
mental retardation is the result of lactose exposure.
It is preventable.
From: Mark Probert on
On Mar 20, 8:59 pm, Mike <M...(a)localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
> > On Mar 18, 9:42 pm, Mike <M...(a)localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> >> Bob Officer wrote:
> >>> There is no coupling mechanism between Autism and Vaccines.
> >> There is no coupling mechanism between autism and anything,
> >> for that matter. The mechanisms are not known -
>
> > There are very substantial studies that show there is a strong genetic
> > component. Whether it is all genetic, or there are other factors, is
> > unknown.
>
> It is known that it is NOT all genetic. There are instances
> of identical twins, with only one having the disease.

If one assumes that all cases are caused by the same mechanism. There
is NO reason to make that assumption, since there is such a variety of
symptom complexes.

>
> The word "strong" here is meaningless because there is no number
> attached to it. Without that it is pure PR. The mechanism is unknown.

No, it isn't. There have been several genes associated with autism.

>
> Phenylketonuria appears to be purely genetic. But it isn't.
> The mechanism is known. It is lactose intolerance,

Phenylketonuria Definition:
Phenylketonuria (PKU) is a genetic disorder that is characterized by
an inability of the body to utilize the essential amino acid,
phenylalanine. Amino acids are the building blocks for body proteins.
'Essential' amino acids can only be obtained from the food we eat as
our body does not normally produce them. In 'classic PKU', the enzyme
that breaks down phenylalanine phenylalanine hydroxylase, is
completely or nearly completely deficient. This enzyme normally
converts phenylalanine to another amino acid, tyrosine. Without this
enzyme, phenylalanine and its' breakdown chemicals from other enzyme
routes, accumulate in the blood and body tissues. Although the term
'hyperphenylalaninemia' strictly means elevated blood phenylalanine,
it is usually used to describe a group of disorders other than classic
PKU. These other disorders may be caused by a partial deficiency of
the phenylalanine breakdown enzyme or the lack of another enzyme
important to the processing of this amino acid. A normal blood
phenylalanine level is about 1 mg/dl. In classic PKU, levels may range
from 6 to 80mg/dl, but are usually greater than 30mg/dl. Levels are
somewhat less in the other disorders of hyperphenylalaninemia.
Chronically high levels of phenylalanine and some of its breakdown
products can cause significant brain problems. Classic PKU is the most
common cause of high levels of phenylalanine in the blood and will be
the primary focus of this topic sheet.

So much for your medical knowledge. No mention of lactose
intolerance.

and subsequent
> mental retardation is the result of lactose exposure.
> It is preventable.