From: Jan Drew on
On Apr 18, 1:23�pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> john wrote:
>
> <copyrighted material deleted>
>
> Where was this research published?

No, he did not you did not doc.

Scientists fear MMR link to autism

By SALLY BECK, Mail on Sunday
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-li...


18 April 2010


New American research shows that there could be a link between the
controversial MMR triple vaccine and autism and bowel disease in
children.


The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew
Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.


Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in
North
Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel
disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the
measles
virus.


Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful
of
results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild
measles.


'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number
of
children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is
evidence
of measles virus.


'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and
published
in 1998 is correct. That study didn't draw any conclusions about
specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the
implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that's the
case,
and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some
children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it
may be
related to the MMR.'


The 1998 study by Dr Wakefield, then a reader in gastroenterology at
the
Royal Free Hospital in North London, and 12 other doctors claimed to
have
found a new bowel disease, autism enterocolitis.


At the time, Dr Wakefield said that although they had not proved a
link
between MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism, there was cause for
concern and the Government should offer the option single vaccines -
instead
of only MMRs - until more research had been done.


The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused
uproar
and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple
jab.
Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the
interpretation but
stood by the science.


This is the second independent study to back up Dr Wakefield. In 2001
John
O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity
College,
Dublin, replicated his findings.


Last night Dr Wakefield said: 'This new study confirms what we found
in
British children and again with Professor O'Leary. The only exposure
these
children have had to measles is through the MMR vaccine.


'They were developing normally until they regressed. They now suffer
autism
and bowel disease.


'The Department of Health and some of the media wanted to dismiss our
research as insignificant. The excuse was that no one else had the
same
findings as us. What they didn't say is that no one else had looked.'


A spokesman for the Department of Health said they had not read the
American
report, but added: 'MMR remains the best form of protection against
measles,
mumps and rubella.'


From: Jan Drew on
Scientists fear MMR link to autism

By SALLY BECK, Mail on Sunday
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-li...


18 April 2010


New American research shows that there could be a link between the
controversial MMR triple vaccine and autism and bowel disease in
children.


The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew
Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.


Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in
North
Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel
disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the
measles
virus.


Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful
of
results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild
measles.


'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number
of
children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is
evidence
of measles virus.


'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and
published
in 1998 is correct. That study didn't draw any conclusions about
specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the
implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that's the
case,
and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some
children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it
may be
related to the MMR.'


The 1998 study by Dr Wakefield, then a reader in gastroenterology at
the
Royal Free Hospital in North London, and 12 other doctors claimed to
have
found a new bowel disease, autism enterocolitis.


At the time, Dr Wakefield said that although they had not proved a
link
between MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism, there was cause for
concern and the Government should offer the option single vaccines -
instead
of only MMRs - until more research had been done.


The paper - and the confused interpretation of its findings - caused
uproar
and led to many parents withdrawing their co-operation for the triple
jab.
Ten of the paper's authors also signed retractions on the
interpretation but
stood by the science.


This is the second independent study to back up Dr Wakefield. In 2001
John
O'Leary, Professor of Pathology at St James's Hospital and Trinity
College,
Dublin, replicated his findings.


Last night Dr Wakefield said: 'This new study confirms what we found
in
British children and again with Professor O'Leary. The only exposure
these
children have had to measles is through the MMR vaccine.


'They were developing normally until they regressed. They now suffer
autism
and bowel disease.


'The Department of Health and some of the media wanted to dismiss our
research as insignificant. The excuse was that no one else had the
same
findings as us. What they didn't say is that no one else had looked.'


A spokesman for the Department of Health said they had not read the
American
report, but added: 'MMR remains the best form of protection against
measles,
mumps and rubella.'




From: Jan Drew on
On Apr 18, 8:54�pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 3:43�am, Peter Parry <pe...(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 07:50:08 +0100, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> > >Scientists fear MMR link to autism
>
> > >By SALLY BECK, Mail on Sunday
> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-li....
>
> > Even by the usual decrepit standards of whale woo this takes some
> > beating.
>
> > >18 April 2010
>
> > No it isn't - it is actually dated 27 May 2006. �Are you so short of
> > material you have to resort to altering the dates by a few years?
>
> > >New
>
> > No, not new, OLD.
>
> > >The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew
> > >Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.
>
> > But it didn't did it? �Why don't you report on the more recent reports
> > from that team?
>
> > >'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published
> > >in 1998 is correct.
>
> > No it doesn't - they didn't actually find measles did they? �(Just
> > like Wakefield didn't).
>
> > >Last night Dr Wakefield said:
>
> > _Last night_? �
>
> > >A spokesman for the Department of Health said
>
> > FOUR years ago?
>
> > This is pathetic.
>
> This is latest news by John Whale's standard. If you review
> his posting history, he has used 19th century and
> early/mid 20th century stuff. Though back then the risks
> were likely pretty real for the few vaccines and immunogloblin
> shots of those earlier eras.
>
> mad cow prion............................Trig

No, stick he posted:

this is from 2006, but still valid


From: mainframetech on
On Apr 18, 8:54 pm, "trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 3:43 am, Peter Parry <pe...(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 07:50:08 +0100, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> > >Scientists fear MMR link to autism
>
> > >By SALLY BECK, Mail on Sunday
> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-li....
>
> > Even by the usual decrepit standards of whale woo this takes some
> > beating.
>
> > >18 April 2010
>
> > No it isn't - it is actually dated 27 May 2006.  Are you so short of
> > material you have to resort to altering the dates by a few years?
>
> > >New
>
> > No, not new, OLD.
>
> > >The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew
> > >Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.
>
> > But it didn't did it?  Why don't you report on the more recent reports
> > from that team?
>
> > >'What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published
> > >in 1998 is correct.
>
> > No it doesn't - they didn't actually find measles did they?  (Just
> > like Wakefield didn't).
>
> > >Last night Dr Wakefield said:
>
> > _Last night_?  
>
> > >A spokesman for the Department of Health said
>
> > FOUR years ago?
>
> > This is pathetic.
>
> This is latest news by John Whale's standard. If you review
> his posting history, he has used 19th century and
> early/mid 20th century stuff. Though back then the risks
> were likely pretty real for the few vaccines and immunogloblin
> shots of those earlier eras.
>
> mad cow prion............................Trig- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My experiences with the drug industry suggest to me that they have
done more and more to fudge the figures in studies in more recent
years. Certainly in some cases the older data and studies might be
more honest and less tilted in favor of Big Pharma, who can afford to
corrupt little researchers if they want more projects.

Just looking back in the history of the FDA, one can see the level
of drug industry and lobbyist involvement in the many scandals that
agency has had attached to it. The articles suggest that a good deal
of corruption may be centered there. Certainly one would want to look
into the approval of 'Aspartame' for a sample... :)

Chris

From: john on

"mainframetech" <mainframetech(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bf9138c5-86e8-4c5f-956a-db70825fb0ae(a)k41g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...

My experiences with the drug industry suggest to me that they have
done more and more to fudge the figures in studies in more recent
years. Certainly in some cases the older data and studies might be
more honest and less tilted in favor of Big Pharma, who can afford to
corrupt little researchers if they want more projects.

Just looking back in the history of the FDA, one can see the level
of drug industry and lobbyist involvement in the many scandals that
agency has had attached to it. The articles suggest that a good deal
of corruption may be centered there. Certainly one would want to look
into the approval of 'Aspartame' for a sample... :)

Chris

I have listed the corrupt studies they have produced to hide the fact MMR is
dangerous http://whale.to/vaccine/mmr54.html

Most folk haven't the slighest idea about what is at stake, if MMR goes down
the whole vaccine programme could die as it is all a bona fide hoax,
probably the greatest hoax of the last 2 centuries
http://whale.to/b/hoax1.html

and then the pharmaceutical hoax could follow, as nutritional medcine could
replace 98% of it http://whale.to/w/ortho.html

can't wait!