From: Bob Officer on
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:19:19 -0000, in misc.health.alternative, "john"
<nospam(a)bt.com> wrote:

>
>"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >
>> Do you have a reference for this? He was probably explaining why the FDA
>> does such extensive studies.
>>
>> jeff
>
>No he wasn't http://www.whale.to/vaccines/morris_h.html
>
>"There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is
>effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers
>of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them,
>anyway."------Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer
>at the FDA)
>

Scoffie's Law. Discussion is over. John loses


--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
From: PeterB - Original on
On Nov 4, 8:09 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> PeterB - Original wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 9:35 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> PeterB - Original wrote:
>
> >> <...>
>
> >>>> VAERS was made to address a particular
> >>>> issue, that is, to catch any adverse events that might be occuring. It
> >>>> is not meant to prove the safety of anything.
> >>> More importantly, VAERS is not meant to determine the safety of
> >>> vaccine prior to use.  But if adverse events associated with vaccine
> >>> were properly vetted, a meaningful review of vaccine safety could be
> >>> developed for those yet to be affected.
> >> Of course not.
>
> > Yes, the proper vetting of VAERS reports would permit a meaningful
> > review of vaccine safety in those already affected.
>
> No it wouldn't. Look at how the CDC went to Kaiser Permente to
> get data
> about rotavirus vaccine safety when there were potential issues.
> The database is not designed that way at all. Anyone can enter a
> report.

No database represents an evaluation of information stored, that is
why such reports are vetted. They are not vetted by the drug makers
because they cannot afford to uncover the truth about vaccine
hazards.

> >> VAERS is meant to catch adverse events after the vaccine
> >> is being used.
>
> > No kidding.
>
> > Other safety studies are done as part of the clinical
> >> trials prior to licensure.
>
> > I have found no meaningful safety data on vaccines.  If I'm wrong,
> > where is it?
>
> I have posted it before. Perhaps you need to open your eyes and look.

Story telling and biographical vignettes do not constitute science.
I shudder to think that someone like yourself practices medicine,
assuming you do.

> >>>>> You might want to talk
> >>>>> to your sponsors about that.
> >>>> I can't do that. I don't have any sponsors.
> >>> You mean you don't have the balls to admit it.
> >> No, I mean that I only speak for myself. I get no money from any
> >> drug company or other type of pharmaceutical company.
>
> > I didn't say you did.

From: Peter B-Aboriginal on

"PeterB - Original" <pkm(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:ee0c8931-9026-4877-baeb-149b647e99c1(a)d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 8:09 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> PeterB - Original wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 9:35 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> PeterB - Original wrote:
>
> >> <...>
>
> >>>> VAERS was made to address a particular
> >>>> issue, that is, to catch any adverse events that might be
> >>>> occuring. It
> >>>> is not meant to prove the safety of anything.
> >>> More importantly, VAERS is not meant to determine the safety of
> >>> vaccine prior to use. But if adverse events associated with
> >>> vaccine
> >>> were properly vetted, a meaningful review of vaccine safety could
> >>> be
> >>> developed for those yet to be affected.
> >> Of course not.
>
> > Yes, the proper vetting of VAERS reports would permit a meaningful
> > review of vaccine safety in those already affected.
>
> No it wouldn't. Look at how the CDC went to Kaiser Permente to
> get data
> about rotavirus vaccine safety when there were potential issues.
> The database is not designed that way at all. Anyone can enter a
> report.

No database represents an evaluation of information stored, that is
why such reports are vetted. They are not vetted by the drug makers
because they cannot afford to uncover the truth about vaccine
hazards.

> >> VAERS is meant to catch adverse events after the vaccine
> >> is being used.
>
> > No kidding.
>
> > Other safety studies are done as part of the clinical
> >> trials prior to licensure.
>
> > I have found no meaningful safety data on vaccines. If I'm wrong,
> > where is it?
>
> I have posted it before. Perhaps you need to open your eyes and look.

Story telling and biographical vignettes do not constitute science.
I shudder to think that someone like yourself practices medicine,
assuming you do.
=============================================
Like your story about your dead cousin?


From: Jan Drew on
http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html

And now-- dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu>
From: PeterB - Original on
On Nov 6, 10:50 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Peter B-Aboriginal wrote:
> > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:ee0c8931-9026-4877-baeb-149b647e99c1(a)d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com....
> > On Nov 4, 8:09 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>> On Nov 3, 9:35 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >>>> PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>>> <...>
> >>>>>> VAERS was made to address a particular
> >>>>>> issue, that is, to catch any adverse events that might be
> >>>>>> occuring. It
> >>>>>> is not meant to prove the safety of anything.
> >>>>> More importantly, VAERS is not meant to determine the safety of
> >>>>> vaccine prior to use. But if adverse events associated with
> >>>>> vaccine
> >>>>> were properly vetted, a meaningful review of vaccine safety could
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> developed for those yet to be affected.
> >>>> Of course not.
> >>> Yes, the proper vetting of VAERS reports would permit a meaningful
> >>> review of vaccine safety in those already affected.
> >> No it wouldn't. Look at how the CDC went to Kaiser Permente to
> >> get data
> >> about rotavirus vaccine safety when there were potential issues.
> >> The database is not designed that way at all. Anyone can enter a
> >> report.
>
> > No database represents an evaluation of information stored, that is
> > why such reports are vetted.  They are not vetted by the drug makers
> > because they cannot afford to uncover the truth about vaccine
> > hazards.
>
> The data in the VAERS database are not vetted by anyone.
> Anyone may enter a report, which then goes into the database.

My point is that VAERS data *should* be vetted.

> >>>> VAERS is meant to catch adverse events after the vaccine
> >>>> is being used.
> >>> No kidding.
> >>> Other safety studies are done as part of the clinical
> >>>> trials prior to licensure.
> >>> I have found no meaningful safety data on vaccines. If I'm wrong,
> >>> where is it?
> >> I have posted it before. Perhaps you need to open your eyes and look.
>
> > Story telling and biographical vignettes do not constitute science.
> > I shudder to think that someone like yourself practices medicine,
> > assuming you do.
> > =============================================
> > Like your story about your dead cousin?
>
> I don't have any dead cousins. They are still all living.

You are responding to the other poster's comment to me, not mine.