From: Peter Moran on
"john" <nospam(a)bt.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Moran" <pmoran(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
>> We who also have medical training have an intimate aquaintance with the
>> history of vaccine development. So we can analyse propaganda like this
>> post and tell you what is wrong with it --- three things.
>> 1. Smallpox vaccine did have significant risks. It was more dangerous
>> than any modern vaccine, but it was still still less lethal and damaging
>> than smallpox epidemics. For many years all travellers had to undergo
>> it.
>
> Absolute bollocks. Smallpox vaccine killed millions over 200 years
> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html
>
>> 2. Vaccinia was a live vaccine so that it probably was quite often
>> ineffective in the days before widespread refrigeration
>> 3. No data is provided about any other vaccine to show that the risks
>> outweigh the benefits.
>
> Absolute bollocks, see smallpox vaccine above. As for MMR, see
> http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html
>
>
>

You can cut and paste all the opinions you want. I have lived through the
events described and know where the truth lies. In Australia there is
nothing other than vaccination that would explain the extraordinary change
in epidemic disease patterns over my lifetime.

We do get deaths from Pertussis and measles and diphtheria when vaccination
levels drop. This is the experience of all major countries. And it is
YOUR FAULT, through your attempts to create unreasonable fear of vaccines.

PM


From: john on

"Peter Moran" <pmoran(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> You can cut and paste all the opinions you want. I have lived through
> the events described and know where the truth lies. In Australia there
> is nothing other than vaccination that would explain the extraordinary
> change in epidemic disease patterns over my lifetime.

You sound like you are over 100.

You would say that being an Allopath.

"Compare these well vaccinated countries with Australia, the least
vaccinated country in the world. In 134 years, not one-fifth of the children
born have been vaccinated. Yet only three Australian children under five
have died of that disease. In the last 50 years, no child under five has
died of smallpox, and in the whole of her history, less than one person per
annum has died of it, although allowing five years protective period, only 2
per cent, of her population have ever been "protected." ---- M. BEDDOW
BAYLY M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P.

>
> We do get deaths from Pertussis and measles and diphtheria when
> vaccination levels drop. This is the experience of all major countries.
> And it is YOUR FAULT, through your attempts to create unreasonable fear of
> vaccines.
>
> PM
>
>

LOL! Absolute bollocks http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html


From: dr_jeff on
PeterB - Original wrote:
> On Nov 3, 9:35 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> PeterB - Original wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>>> VAERS was made to address a particular
>>>> issue, that is, to catch any adverse events that might be occuring. It
>>>> is not meant to prove the safety of anything.
>>> More importantly, VAERS is not meant to determine the safety of
>>> vaccine prior to use. But if adverse events associated with vaccine
>>> were properly vetted, a meaningful review of vaccine safety could be
>>> developed for those yet to be affected.
>> Of course not.
>
> Yes, the proper vetting of VAERS reports would permit a meaningful
> review of vaccine safety in those already affected.

No it wouldn't. Look at how the CDC went to Kaiser Permente to get data
about rotavirus vaccine safety when there were potential issues. The
database is not designed that way at all. Anyone can enter a report.

>> VAERS is meant to catch adverse events after the vaccine
>> is being used.
>
> No kidding.
>
> Other safety studies are done as part of the clinical
>> trials prior to licensure.
>
> I have found no meaningful safety data on vaccines. If I'm wrong,
> where is it?

I have posted it before. Perhaps you need to open your eyes and look.

jeff

>>>>> You might want to talk
>>>>> to your sponsors about that.
>>>> I can't do that. I don't have any sponsors.
>>> You mean you don't have the balls to admit it.
>> No, I mean that I only speak for myself. I get no money from any
>> drug company or other type of pharmaceutical company.
>
> I didn't say you did.
>
>
From: Mark Probert on
On Nov 4, 8:09 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> PeterB - Original wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 9:35 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> PeterB - Original wrote:
>
> >> <...>
>
> >>>> VAERS was made to address a particular
> >>>> issue, that is, to catch any adverse events that might be occuring. It
> >>>> is not meant to prove the safety of anything.
> >>> More importantly, VAERS is not meant to determine the safety of
> >>> vaccine prior to use.  But if adverse events associated with vaccine
> >>> were properly vetted, a meaningful review of vaccine safety could be
> >>> developed for those yet to be affected.
> >> Of course not.
>
> > Yes, the proper vetting of VAERS reports would permit a meaningful
> > review of vaccine safety in those already affected.
>
> No it wouldn't. Look at how the CDC went to Kaiser Permente to get data
> about rotavirus vaccine safety when there were potential issues. The
> database is not designed that way at all. Anyone can enter a report.
>
> >> VAERS is meant to catch adverse events after the vaccine
> >> is being used.
>
> > No kidding.
>
> > Other safety studies are done as part of the clinical
> >> trials prior to licensure.
>
> > I have found no meaningful safety data on vaccines.  If I'm wrong,
> > where is it?
>
> I have posted it before. Perhaps you need to open your eyes and look.

It is not his eyes that are closed. His mind is.

From: Jan Drew on
On Nov 4, 6:41�am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> john wrote:
> > "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in messagenews:4AF0B66B.9010205(a)msu.edu....
>
> >> That's totally untrue. Vaccines have been shown to be safe and effective.
> >> They are not 100% safe: There are some risks. However, the benefits
> >> greatly outweigh the risks. There is no evidence that vaccines cause ADHD,
> >> autism, difficulty focusing or depression. If I am incorrect, please
> >> provide the citations to the peer-reviewed journal articles.
>
> > Numerous lies
>
> > "There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children
> > does more harm than good."---Dr. J. Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine
> > Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA
>
> Do you have a reference for this? He was probably explaining why the FDA
> does such extensive studies.
>
> jeff

Try http://www.google.com/ Not doc.