From: Mark Probert on
On Nov 29, 8:34 am, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:Ys2dnS2X4MLz6Y_WnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>
> > john wrote:
>
> >> An autopsy performed Thursday at the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic
> >> Medicine in Tel Aviv revealed that the toddler died of complications from
> >> her kidney condition, not from the vaccine.
>
> They would say that, wouldn't they.  Kind of like allowing the perpetrators
> to be the expert witness.

Hi jerk. The problem with your stupid comment is that Rambam Medical
Center in Haifa does not have a division where an autopsy can be
performed. Under Isreali law, autopsies are performed at the request
of the NOK and are not undertaken lightly because of Hebraic Law.

http://www.rambam.org.il/Home+Page/Departments+and+Clinics/Division+of+Laboratory+Services/default.htm
From: Peter B on

"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
news:-oKdnU0PT_wlWY_WnZ2dnUVZ_g5i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
> Peter B wrote:
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:Ys2dnS2X4MLz6Y_WnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> john wrote:
>>>
>>>> An autopsy performed Thursday at the Abu Kabir Institute of
>>>> Forensic Medicine in Tel Aviv revealed that the toddler died of
>>>> complications from her kidney condition, not from the vaccine.
>>
>> In every post that John has used he has been shown to have deceived
>> or misled everyone regarding H1N1.
>>
>> I'm personally through reading any of his posts since he is an abject
>> liar.
>
> Personally, I just respond to his and Jan's posts once or twice. IMHO,
> their resposnse do more to help show what kind of poor advice they
> offer than anything I can point out. And, anyone reading Jan's
> personal attacks is able to determine what kind of person she is, as
> well.
>
> Jeff

Good idea!


From: mindy on
On Nov 29, 5:04 am, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1131081.html
>
> Nazareth toddler third Israeli to die after receiving swine flu vaccination
>
> By Dan Even, Haaretz Correspondent
>
> A toddler from Nazareth died Thursday at home, three days after receiving a
> swine flu vaccination at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.
>
> The two-year-old, who had a pacemaker and had been undergoing weekly
> dialysis at Rambam, had been inoculated in the pediatric nephrology
> department where she was being treated.
>
> However the vaccine was allegedly given against Health Ministry regulations,
> which permit only children over the age of 3 to receive the shots currently
> available in Israel.
>
> The vaccines now being given in Israel contain adjuvant, which helps improve
> the immune system. However, this component has not been proven safe for
> children under 3 and pregnant women, therefore Israel and some other
> countries, Canada, for example, are not inoculating these groups with
> vaccines containing adjuvant. Vaccines without this component are to arrive
> in Israel starting next week.
>
> An autopsy performed Thursday at the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic
> Medicine in Tel Aviv revealed that the toddler died of complications from
> her kidney condition, not from the vaccine. The institute said the results
> of additional tests would be ready in about a week.
>
> The Health Ministry said that more than 65 million people have been
> inoculated worldwide without incident, including many children, and that the
> vaccine meets all standards of safety and efficiency and is recommended by
> the World Health Organization.
>
> Rambam Medical Center released the following statement: "Although there is
> apparently no connection between the toddler's death and the inoculation,
> the hospital director instructed that immediate clarification be undertaken
> of the events in the days preceding her death. We all hope that the autopsy
> will help clarify the reasons for her death."
>
> This is the third death following inoculation against swine flu in Israel..
> The first, soon after the inoculations started, was a 75-year-old Bat Yam
> dialysis patient who died three days after receiving the shot in the
> hospital. At the beginning of this week, a 57-year-old dialysis patient died
> at Soroka Medical Center in Beer Sheva, two weeks after receiving the
> vaccine.
>
> Out of some 10,000 Israelis who have so far been vaccinated, the Health
> Ministry said this week that there have been 43 reported cases of side
> effects from the inoculation, including several cases involving swelling and
> redness around the site of the shot, respiratory distress, allergies and
> headaches; one patient complained of limited hand movement.

It seems as though if I were a dialisis patient, I would think long
and hard about the clause in the pamplet "underlying conditions"
From: Peter Bowditch on
bae(a)cs.toronto.edu (Beverly Erlebacher) wrote:

>In article <g-KdnZzRyt9vDY_WnZ2dnUVZ_q9i4p2d(a)giganews.com>,
>dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>john wrote:
>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:Ys2dnS2X4MLz6Y_WnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> john wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An autopsy performed Thursday at the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic
>>>>> Medicine in Tel Aviv revealed that the toddler died of complications from
>>>>> her kidney condition, not from the vaccine.
>>>
>>> They would say that, wouldn't they. Kind of like allowing the perpetrators
>>> to be the expert witness.
>>
>>They would say it because it's true.
>
>I'm waiting for John et al to trumpet some case where a recently
>vaccinated person dies in a car crash as a vaccine related death.

One of the claimed "deaths from HPV vaccine" was a passenger who died
in a car crash some months after the vaccination.

You couldn't make this stuff up..

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From: john on

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname(a)ratbags.com> wrote in message
>
> One of the claimed "deaths from HPV vaccine" was a passenger who died
> in a car crash some months after the vaccination.
>
> You couldn't make this stuff up..
>

You do all the time, lets see the evidence for that one

And you make up vaccine lies all the time
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/real.html