From: Anne Rogers on
> I suppose "all the time" is an exaggeration.
> However, it is true that all of my friends
> (and I) expected that babies would feed
> once every 3-4 hours (which is a formula-fed
> "schedule"), and I don't find that true of
> breastfed babies at all!

that's true, but that extreme was thankfully not my expectation, I was
certainly aware of the 8-12 feeds in 24hrs, which then had me worried when
my first initially only fed 6 times - he was jaundiced and picked up to 12+
fairly quickly, he genuinely was an all the time feeder. My 2nd I think may
have hit 8 in the first week, but it dwindled fast after that - but she
always had great weight gain, mostly on 5 feeds and sleeping through the
night, she fed to 18mths.

Anne


From: cjra on
On Apr 22, 1:03 am, "Me Myself and I"
<weaver.clanS...(a)slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> If you are not BF at all at the moment then you should be aiming to pump
> every 3 hours. Make sure you drink PLENTY of water every hour (what I did
> was drink a glass of water after every tip to the bathroom). Aim to pump
> the same amount at each sitting and just stay put till you do. You might
> end up waiting a couple of minutes then pumping what comes in, rinse and
> repeat but it will help. I aimed to be pumping 100ml (around 4oz) off each
> breast at each pumping. It might initially have taken me 1/2 hour to get
> that amount but I always made sure I got my decided amount each time.
> Sometimes I would get 10ml of a breast then switch then switch back etc till
> I got the required amount.

I think his is very unrealistic. I have been BF 9+ months, pumping 6+
months as well as the initial 3 weeks, and have *never* gotten 100 mls
per breast except on very rare occassions. Maybe 2x max. However
except when I took cold meds, I've never had a supply problem. I can
sit and pump for hours, or for 20 mins and get the same amount.

Not everyone responds to a pump the same way, and IMO it's very wrong
to tell a woman that she should be able to pump that amount! Best way
to freak out someone and convince them they 'don't have enough milk.'

From: Anne Rogers on
>> If you are not BF at all at the moment then you should be aiming to pump
>> every 3 hours. Make sure you drink PLENTY of water every hour (what I
>> did
>> was drink a glass of water after every tip to the bathroom). Aim to pump
>> the same amount at each sitting and just stay put till you do. You might
>> end up waiting a couple of minutes then pumping what comes in, rinse and
>> repeat but it will help. I aimed to be pumping 100ml (around 4oz) off
>> each
>> breast at each pumping. It might initially have taken me 1/2 hour to get
>> that amount but I always made sure I got my decided amount each time.
>> Sometimes I would get 10ml of a breast then switch then switch back etc
>> till
>> I got the required amount.
>
> I think his is very unrealistic. I have been BF 9+ months, pumping 6+
> months as well as the initial 3 weeks, and have *never* gotten 100 mls
> per breast except on very rare occassions. Maybe 2x max.

I agree, 4oz of each breast, is 8oz total, if you are doing that 3hrly,
that's 8 times a day, that's a full 64oz, which is likely enough to feed
twins. The amount each baby eats does vary, but most average consumptions
seem to come somewhere between 25 and 30oz, so 4oz between breasts would be
adequate, making a 32oz total, but even that may not be realistic. It's also
a potential way to end up with sore breasts, it is worth carrying on for
some time to see if you can get a 2nd let down, but if it's not happening,
5mins is enough to be sending the message to your breasts that more milk is
required, then get on with the rest of life, spending hours with a pump,
barely producing a drop, would be likely to make you stressed out, lacking
rest and substanence, lacking contact time with the baby and possibly result
in a supply dip as a consequence.

Just to reiterate, with the weight details given here, I really don't think
this mum has any supply issues!

Anne


From: Larry Mcmahan on
In article <1177216807.211066.145710(a)d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
mhammers(a)gmail.com says...
> I am having a problem with supply. My son was born 3 weeks early and
> is now 8 weeks old. I have been having problems breastfeeding from the
> beginning. Know problems are high palette and weak sucking. The
> hospital grade pump is stronger than he is. I have been on Fenegreek
> and Blessed Thistle and still no success. I have gotten my supply "up"
> some by pumping. My problem is that I can pump every hour and get an
> ounce or less off each breast or I can pump every 4 hours and get 2 to
> 2 1/2 ounces per breast. I have gone to pump and then feed milk with
> the bottle until I can get my supply up. I know my breast can carry
> more that just a couple of ounces. If I go 8 to 10 hours then I get
> engorged and can pull 3 to 4 ounces off each breast. I have tried
> pumping every hour and can not get my breast to produce milk quicker.
> If I empty the breast, it can take up to six hours before I can "feel"
> like I have milk. If I do not "feel" like I have milk it seems that I
> can not even get an ounce after 20 minutes of pumping. I was wondering
> why it takes so long after being emptied to have enough milk for a
> good 4 ounce feeding. Any advice on helping the milk to come on
> quicker would me greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Monica
>
>
You don't say anything about whether you are feeding the baby with a
bottle or not. If you are, then you should wean him off the bottle as
soon as you can and have him nurse exclusively. A baby's suck is much
more effective in building your supply than a pump.

Larry
From: Me Myself and I on
I gave an indicator of what *I* pumped per side per 3 hours when my baby was
in the NICU. The amounts were that given to me by NICU staff. 25ml each
side every 3 hours for the first week, 50ml each side for the second week,
then 100ml each side from then on till I was fully BF'ing. I didn't say she
HAD to pump that amount, merely that you should aim to get the same amount
at each sitting. I then stated if she was pumping as well as feeding and
was pumping afterwards to increase supply she might want to pump 1 oz each
side. My entire point was to be consistent.

Now if you wouldn't mind climbing down off my back.


--
Pip

My girls :
DD1 Jasmine - 5 weeks early - March 02 - 4lb 12oz
Still as small as a peanut but as smart as a whip!

DD2 Abby - 8 weeks early - Feb 05 - 3lb 14oz
I'm two and what a Demon I can be!!

"Yes you can drive me insane just by talking to me!"

"cjra" <cjrohr31(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177349373.814776.89950(a)d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 22, 1:03 am, "Me Myself and I"
> <weaver.clanS...(a)slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>> If you are not BF at all at the moment then you should be aiming to pump
>> every 3 hours. Make sure you drink PLENTY of water every hour (what I
>> did
>> was drink a glass of water after every tip to the bathroom). Aim to pump
>> the same amount at each sitting and just stay put till you do. You might
>> end up waiting a couple of minutes then pumping what comes in, rinse and
>> repeat but it will help. I aimed to be pumping 100ml (around 4oz) off
>> each
>> breast at each pumping. It might initially have taken me 1/2 hour to get
>> that amount but I always made sure I got my decided amount each time.
>> Sometimes I would get 10ml of a breast then switch then switch back etc
>> till
>> I got the required amount.
>
> I think his is very unrealistic. I have been BF 9+ months, pumping 6+
> months as well as the initial 3 weeks, and have *never* gotten 100 mls
> per breast except on very rare occassions. Maybe 2x max. However
> except when I took cold meds, I've never had a supply problem. I can
> sit and pump for hours, or for 20 mins and get the same amount.
>
> Not everyone responds to a pump the same way, and IMO it's very wrong
> to tell a woman that she should be able to pump that amount! Best way
> to freak out someone and convince them they 'don't have enough milk.'
>


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