From: Steven Bornfeld on
Mike wrote:
> Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/obamsawin/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in
>>> North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in
>>> life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either
>>> without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for
>>> specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that
>>> vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide
>>> range of infectious diseases
>>> Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically
>>> illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and
>>> foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease
>>> conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in
>>> some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes.
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/
>
> So?
>
> The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased
> well before the vaccinations. It stands.
>
> Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years
> before the vaccinations.
> In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths
> In 1979-1988 - 140
> In 1989-1998 - 10
>
> So far, so good. But it 1933, there were 44 deaths in the FIRST 10 WEEKS
> in New York City ALONE.
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,747256,00.html
>
> There are also graphs at http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
> and
> http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/vaccines-cure-or-cause/
>
> We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was
> about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases.
> Per year, not per 10 years.
>
> That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968,
> without vaccinations.
>
> Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths
> in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations.
> Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no.


It is not accurate to paint all vaccine advocates one way. There is
indeed a small rate of vaccine failure. Still, outbreaks are more
common where vaccination rates are low. A pretty good discussion is here:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001328.htm

Steve
From: Happy Oyster on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:41:25 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:

>http://wha

No, not that kind of bullshit.

Really tough information you get here:

http://www.pharmamafia.com


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From: Happy Oyster on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:57:42 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote:

>On Mar 26, 5:20?pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com>
>
>Results 1 - 10 of about 5,440 for happy.oyster(a)ariplex.com That is
>bullshit. (0.16 seconds)


Ooops, Jan Drew is too dumb to realize that she already posted that...
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From: Mark Probert-Drew on
On Mar 27, 10:04 am, Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...(a)dentaltwins.com>
wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
> > Great link. Solid real evidence. Unfortunately, the anti-vaxxers were
> > vaccinated against getting a clue, and it has been 100% effective.
>
> > Been to the Cyclones?
>
>         Couple of times, not nearly enough.
>
> Steve

Same here. I am glad that CI is going to be kept as a playground. The
Cyclones and a rejuvenated CI is a winner.
From: Mark Probert-Drew on
On Mar 27, 11:26 am, Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...(a)dentaltwins.com>
wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> >> john wrote:
> >>>http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/obamsawin/ImmunizationGraphs-RO20....
>
> >>>   Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in
> >>> North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in
> >>> life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either
> >>> without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for
> >>> specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that
> >>> vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide
> >>> range of infectious diseases
> >>>      Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically
> >>> illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and
> >>> foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease
> >>> conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in
> >>> some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes.
>
> >>http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/
>
> > So?
>
> > The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased
> > well before the vaccinations. It stands.
>
> > Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years
> > before the vaccinations.
> > In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths
> > In 1979-1988 - 140
> > In 1989-1998 - 10
>
> > So far, so good. But it 1933, there were 44 deaths in the FIRST 10 WEEKS
> > in New York City ALONE.
> >http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,747256,00.html
>
> > There are also graphs athttp://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
> > and
> >  http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/vaccines-cure-or-cause/
>
> > We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was
> > about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases.
> > Per year, not per 10 years.
>
> > That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968,
> > without vaccinations.
>
> > Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths
> > in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations.
> > Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no.
>
>         It is not accurate to paint all vaccine advocates one way..  

Steve, there is NOTHING fair about those who are anti-vaccine. Do not
expect anything. Note the way Beverly shredded what Mikey said. He is
not a dummy, and knew exactly what he was doing, with malice
aforethought.


There is
> indeed a small rate of vaccine failure.  Still, outbreaks are more
> common where vaccination rates are low.  A pretty good discussion is here:http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001328.htm

The anti-vacs would sooner believe that the Earth is flat than to
believe anything on the CDC site.