Good-Bye Germ Theory by Dr. William Trebing
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From: Peter Parry on 5 Jan 2010 14:04 On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:04:51 -0000, "john" <nospam(a)bt.com> wrote: >"Peter Parry" <peter(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote >> He is hardly a lone voice where that particular individual is > >he is a lone voice as far as anyone without an obvious conflict of interest. I presume that for you "obvious conflict of interest" means anyone who disagrees with you? You don't have to have any conflict of interest - simply look it up yourself. The facts peak for themselves. For example she states "there is no evidence whatsoever that vaccines of any kind - but especially those against childhood diseases - are effective in preventing the infectious diseases they are supposed to prevent" Talking of Pertussis vaccine she then quotes two studies from the Faero Islands which found In both epidemics six patients of the 3,926 vaccinated died and 26 among the 1,073 unvaccinated cases died. These figures clearly show vaccination to be effective so Scheibner gets around this by claiming "So the vaccine seemed to provide some degree of protection; however, the numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated are so different that any comparison is scientifically invalid" Now this statement is not merely nonsense (the sample sizes are more than adequate and the difference between the populations is highly significant, with a p value of <0.0001) it is actually well within her knowledge and training as a Paleontologist. She either knew she was making a basic error or chose to misrepresent data. Similarly she tries to dismiss the clear effect shown in the Whooping-cough Immunisation data from the UK in 1946-50 by claiming the control group wasn't a proper control. She excluded mention that in that trial report the control group infection rates were compared with the general population and found to be similar thus defeating her objection. This and more is documented in Dr Bassers review of some of her work at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/immunise.htm Feel free to point out where he is wrong in his assessment of Scheibner. The most damning indictment is of course not that she errs in matters outside her competence but that she has been found to manipulate data she should be able to understand to produce conclusions she must know full well are false. is trait is all too common amongst the anti-vaccination community. >From memory Morgan did a textbook page on ad hominem re >Scheibner and the rest Your memory is incorrect. Jason W. Busse, DC, MSc Lon Morgan, DC and James B. Campbell, PhD wrote an article entitled "Chiropractic Antivaccination Arguments" in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Theraputics <http://jmptonline.org/article/S0161-4754%2805%2900111-9/fulltext?articleId=S0899-3467%2807%2960081-0> their criticism was of her work and in particular her misrepresentation of the Japanese data from Cherry >> That your site is fascinating in a sort of gothic horror way is >> undeniable, that it is a source of knowledge or science is unlikely. >> On the other hand, that any lawyer would be so desperate as to quote >> it in a court in support of their argument would also appear to be >> rather improbable, but apparently that happened in the USA even if >> they did lose their case. > >So you say but we all know what you say that. You do?
From: Mark Probert on 5 Jan 2010 17:08 On Jan 5, 2:27 am, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote: > Better than your ragtag army of pharma boys like Offit. Nope. Not possible. Offit is so knowledgeable, competent and professional that the anti-vac liars have to sue him to try to silence him. He scares the cleanse right out of them.
From: Mark Probert on 5 Jan 2010 17:09 On Jan 5, 4:04 am, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote: > "Peter Parry" <pe...(a)wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message > > > You really do have to rely upon some remarkable pond life don't you? > > Scheiber is a retired Paleontologist of dubious ability and honesty. > > that is ad hominem. No, just an accurate description. And you have never proven any dishonesty, while we > document vast evidence your industry is built on it. Who is "we"?
From: Jan Drew on 5 Jan 2010 19:20 On Dec 30 2009, 5:33�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 30, 4:34�pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote: > > > john wrote: > > > Good-Bye Germ Theory by Dr. William Trebing. You'll find it at Amazon..com > > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1413454402/wellwithinA/(besure to > > > get 6th edition ISBN # 1413454402 > > > Thanks for the laugh, thanks. > > I prefer Jib-Jab. The music is better. Not surprised. http://tcal.net/archives/2006/12/13/jib-jab-nuckin-futs/
From: Jan Drew on 5 Jan 2010 19:23
On Dec 31 2009, 2:43�am, "Peter B" <origin...(a)frag.com> wrote: > "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote in message > > news:gsOdnUg3hY41KqbWnZ2dnUVZ8mGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > Good-Bye Dr. William Trebing. You'll find it > > Pure spam snipped ============================ Do you snip, Peter Bowditch, and Bob Officer's pure spam? |