From: Jan Drew on

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JOHN wrote:
>> Gardasil reactions must be taken seriously
>>
>> For immediate release - May 22nd 2007
>>
>> The Australian Vaccination Network (AVN), a national parent and
>> health-professional run lobby group urges the federal government to stop
>> ignoring reactions suffered by schoolgirls across Australia. "Hysteria
>> is nothing more than an excuse which would never be used if we were
>> talking about boys being vaccinated. Hysteria does not cause paralysis
>> nor can it cause someone to lose consciousness for over 2 hours." says
>> Meryl Dorey, National President of the AVN. "In fact, looking at the
>> information from the vaccine manufacturer as well as the reactions that
>> have been reported in the US, we find the following facts:
>>
>> FACT: Out of the 385 individual Gardasil adverse event reports made to
>> VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Service), two-thirds
>> required additional medical care .
>
> FACT: an event report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine had anything
> to do with it.

ZZzz. Standard reply of the *gang* #5749849384321.
>
>> FACT: The most common reactions reported were syncopal
>> (collapse/fainting) episodes that can be accompanied by seizure
>> activity, as well as symptoms of tingling, numbness and loss of
>> sensation in the fingers and limbs - exactly the sorts of reactions
>> experienced by the girls in Victoria, and all evidence of neurological
>> complications.
>>
>> FACT: In the original study of 21,000 vaccinees, there were 102 serious
>> reactions reported with 17 deaths. Rather then the perfectly safe
>> vaccine we are told Gardasil is, nearly 90% of those in this study
>> suffered an adverse reaction - a very high number indeed!
>
> FACT: Soreness in the arm is an adverse reaction.
>
>> FACT: There are more than 15 types of HPV associated with cervical
>> cancer but Gardasil only contains two of them - types 16 and 18. Perhaps
>> this is why the government says that even with 100% vaccination, annual
>> pap smears will still be needed.
>
> FACT: HPV types 16 and 18 are the most common types assoicated with
> cervical cancer.
>
> The vaccine was meant to prevent death and illness, not cervical examines.
>
>> FACT: Rather then being well tested as Minister Abbott said, this
>> vaccine was only tested on 1,200 girls in the age group which is now
>> receiving these shots. This study which was conducted by the vaccine
>> manufacturer, only followed these girls for a very short time, and used
>> a toxic adjuvant - aluminium hydroxide - as a placebo. By comparing one
>> toxic substance to another, the study invalidates any evidence of
>> safety.
>
> Fact: Aluminum hydroxide is commonly used as an adjuvant in the US. And is
> safe when used as intended.

Which should NEVER be in vaccines

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/aluminum_hydroxide.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/aluminum_hydroxide1.htm
\
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/aluminum_hydroxide1.htm
>
>> FACT: Several of the girls who participated in the vaccine study
>> developed lesions and genital warts. One 22 year old developed an HPV
>> infection despite high levels of antibodies to all 4 strains of HPV
>> contained in the vaccine.
>
> Yet there are many strains of HPV. The vaccine only covers four strains.

And?
>
>> "The government has a duty of care to ensure that all vaccines are safe
>> and effective before they are used on our children. Gardasil is an
>> experimental vaccine whose safety and effectiveness is under question.
>> We here at the AVN have had more reaction reports to this vaccine in the
>> short time it's been used here then we've had to any other shot. Please
>> Mr Health Minister, do not ignore these girls. They deserve so much
>> better!"
>>
>> http://www.avn.org.au/
>
> FACT: This is a very biased organization.

LOL.
>
> Jeff


From: Jan Drew on

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JOHN wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ouG4i.3784$Ud7.2311(a)trnddc08...
>>
>>> FACT: an event report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine had
>>> anything to do with it.
>>
>> Oh really.
>
> Really. The idea is that the experts would rather weed out irrelevant
> problems, like colds that are not caused by vaccines than miss problems.
>
>> FACT: Only 1-3% of drug reactions are reported.
>
> Fact: Serious vaccine reactions are more likely to be reported to VAERS
> than minor reactions.
>
>>>> FACT: There are more than 15 types of HPV associated with cervical
>>>> cancer but Gardasil only contains two of them - types 16 and 18.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> this is why the government says that even with 100% vaccination,
>>>> annual
>>>> pap smears will still be needed.
>>> FACT: HPV types 16 and 18 are the most common types assoicated with
>>> cervical cancer.
>>>
>>
>> 'Associated' isn't cause, and they haven't proven they do cause cancer.
>
> I believe that the US National Cancer Institute knows more about this than
> you:

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/cancer.html

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/311/5760/448a

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/98/6/374

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_institutes_of_health/index.html?query=FRAUDS%20AND%20SWINDLING&field=des&match=exact
>
> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV
>
>>> Fact: Aluminum hydroxide is commonly used as an adjuvant in the US. And
>>> is safe when used as intended.
>>
>> A lie:
>>
>> Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum
>> hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's,
>> amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and
>> Alzheimer's
>
> A link is not proof of cause.
>
> <...>
>>
>>> FACT: This is a very biased organization.
>>
>> Rubbish. For real bias see the CDC, etc,
>
> We'll have to disagree on what are biased organizations.

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/pjcdc.htm


From: Jan Drew on

"JohnDoe" <dont(a)spam.me> wrote in message
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> JOHN wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:bmK4i.3820$Ud7.1284(a)trnddc08...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>'Associated' isn't cause, and they haven't proven they do cause cancer.
>>>
>>>I believe that the US National Cancer Institute knows more about this
>>>than you:
>>>
>>>http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV
>>
>>
>> Pharma shill, well know for fraud
>>
>> "The fact is that all of the studies that have been supervised by the
>> National Cancer Institute should now be re-examined by congressional
>> committees to see wether or not there is real corruption in all of
>> them."--Ralph Moss http://www.whale.to/c/moss.html
>>
>>
>>>> Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum
>>>> hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's,
>>>> amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and
>>>> Alzheimer's
>>>
>>>A link is not proof of cause.
>>
>>
>> Hardly safe as water as you were claiming
>>
>>
>>>We'll have to disagree on what are biased organizations.
>>
>>
>> the CD is a pharma shill, obviously, whereas I don't have any bias as I
>> have no financial interest in vaccination or not vaccinating
>
> Your bias isn't financial. Your bias is that you simply support anything,
> the insaner the better, that goes against the findings of modern science,
> medical or other.

Translation:

Don't buck *organized medicine* even if they are liars and commit fraud.


From: Jan Drew on

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> JOHN wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:bmK4i.3820$Ud7.1284(a)trnddc08...
>>
>>
>>>> 'Associated' isn't cause, and they haven't proven they do cause cancer.
>>> I believe that the US National Cancer Institute knows more about this
>>> than you:
>>>
>>> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV
>>
>> Pharma shill, well know for fraud
>
> Who is a pharma shill? I get absolutely no money from the pharmaceutical
> industry. The opinions expressed are solely my own.
>
>> "The fact is that all of the studies that have been supervised by the
>> National Cancer Institute should now be re-examined by congressional
>> committees to see wether or not there is real corruption in all of
>> them."--Ralph Moss http://www.whale.to/c/moss.html
>
> Ralph Moss is a fraud in my opinion.

Not surprised, he exposes the lies and fraud of *organized medicine*.
>
>>>> Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum
>>>> hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's,
>>>> amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and
>>>> Alzheimer's
>>> A link is not proof of cause.
>>
>> Hardly safe as water as you were claiming
>
> I have never claimed that vaccines are as safe as water.
>
>>> We'll have to disagree on what are biased organizations.
>>
>> the CD is a pharma shill, obviously, whereas I don't have any bias as I
>> have no financial interest in vaccination or not vaccinating
>
> I have no financial interest in vaccination or not vaccinating, either.
>
> Jeff


From: Jeff on
Jan Drew wrote:
> "JohnDoe" <dont(a)spam.me> wrote in message
> news:465407bd$0$10881$ba620dc5(a)text.nova.planet.nl...
>> JOHN wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bmK4i.3820$Ud7.1284(a)trnddc08...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> 'Associated' isn't cause, and they haven't proven they do cause cancer.
>>>> I believe that the US National Cancer Institute knows more about this
>>>> than you:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV
>>>
>>> Pharma shill, well know for fraud
>>>
>>> "The fact is that all of the studies that have been supervised by the
>>> National Cancer Institute should now be re-examined by congressional
>>> committees to see wether or not there is real corruption in all of
>>> them."--Ralph Moss http://www.whale.to/c/moss.html
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum
>>>>> hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's,
>>>>> amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and
>>>>> Alzheimer's
>>>> A link is not proof of cause.
>>>
>>> Hardly safe as water as you were claiming
>>>
>>>
>>>> We'll have to disagree on what are biased organizations.
>>>
>>> the CD is a pharma shill, obviously, whereas I don't have any bias as I
>>> have no financial interest in vaccination or not vaccinating
>> Your bias isn't financial. Your bias is that you simply support anything,
>> the insaner the better, that goes against the findings of modern science,
>> medical or other.
>
> Translation:
>
> Don't buck *organized medicine* even if they are liars and commit fraud.

There are bad people in every field. Conjecture-based (aka alternative)
and allopathic medicine are no exceptions.

But, supporting evidence-based medicine is not the same thing as
supporting organized medicine.

Jeff