From: Jan Drew on
On May 2, 9:29�pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 8:10�pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...(a)earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jason wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <0b3c12a7-8b8c-477f-ba80-f1163fc89...(a)i9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> > > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On May 1, 8:12=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >>> In article <ZZednbMOtJFkxEHWnZ2dnUVZ_tydn...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu =
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>> Jason wrote:
> > >>>> <...>
> > >>>>> You now know the reason that most people in America (including myself=
> > >> ) do
> > >>>>> NOT waste our time watching PBS shows.
> > >>>> Many people choose not to be informed, too.
> > >>>>> PBS has to rely mainly on the gov't
> > >>>>> for funding.
> > >>>> About 40 to 45% of their funding comes from federal and state sources.
> > >>>>> They do collect donations but as far as I know--most of their
> > >>>>> funding comes from the government. If it was not for gov't funding, P=
> > >> BS
> > >>>>> would have gone out of business many years ago. Most all of their
> > >>>>> producers and directors are very liberal.
> > >>>> Prove that the news that they report has a liberal bias.
> > >>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this case=
> > >> ,
> > >>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> > >>>> Jeff
> > >>> Jeff,
> > >>> I do not expect liberals or socialists to even be aware when they watch a
> > >>> news show on PBS or CNN that they are watching news shows that have a
> > >>> liberal bias. Just about the only people that can recognize liberal bias
> > >>> on a PBS or CNN news show are conservatives. Liberals are probably able t=
> > >> o
> > >>> notice bias when they watch a news show on the Fox news channel.
> > >>> jason-
> > >> This is not a liberal-conservative issue. Some very conservative right
> > >> wingers just made major fools of themselves on this issue.
>
> > > Liberalism is a mental disorder.
>
> > Are most alt. health people right wingers? �It's not intuitive to me.
>
> > Steve (mostly lefty)
>
> Health, science, etc. is not political. They are fact driven.

Lying called facts.
>
> It was under the Coward-In-Chief, GWB, that science was politicized.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

No, it should be under liar. I have already posted about the fraud of
the FDA, CDC, AMA, and Oracnosenuttin.

QuackQuack.

From: Jan Drew on
On May 2, 9:34�pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 10:26�pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this =
> > > case,
> > > > > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>
> > > > > > > Jeff
>
> > > > > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > > > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
>
> > > > > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>
> > > > > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>
> > > > MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> > > > write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> > > > babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> > > > the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
>
> > > I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
> > > vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
> > > year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
> > > brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
> > > inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
>
> > > > Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
>
> > > There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
> > > have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
> > > valid side.
>
> > > Its using FEAR to get
> > > > young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> > > > toxins
>
> > > You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
> > > fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
>
> > The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines.
>
> Agreed The anti-vax propaganda machine played on the fears of parents
> and they did it damn well. They used the Goebbels method.
>
> Have you ever
>
> > seen any children that had autism?
>
> Many. My son attends several events, camp, rec programs, etc. with
> multiple types of disabilities present.

ZZzz.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43

Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At
worst, outright lies.
>
> Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
>
> > that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
> > shots that contain mercury.
>
> And they are the victims of the anti-vax liars.
>
> As you probably know, mercury is a known
>
> > poison.
>
> Sure it is. Just like Dihydrogen monoxide.
>
> > There are known effects of mercury poisoning.
>
> Which are absolutely different from Autism.
>
> �I once saw a list of
>
> > the known effects of mercury poisoning and compared it with a list of the
> > symptoms of children that have autism and many of the things on both lists
> > were similar.
>
> Then you saw a list of lies.

In your so-called-mind.
>
> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
>
> > was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar.
>
> I have seen that list, and it was replete with lies.

In your so- called opinion.

You are a proven liar, who remained silent when disbarred.

Sorry, you credibility is zero.
From: Jan Drew on
On May 2, 10:56�pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jason wrote:
> > In article
> > <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this =
> >> case,
> >>>>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>> WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> >>>>> fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
> >>>> Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
> >>>> Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
> >>> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> >>> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> >>> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> >>> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> >> I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
> >> vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
> >> year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
> >> brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
> >> inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
>
> >>> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
> >> There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
> >> have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
> >> valid side.
>
> >> Its using FEAR to get
> >>> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> >>> toxins
> >> You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
> >> fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
>
> > The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines. Have you ever
> > seen any children that had autism? Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
> > that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
> > shots that contain mercury.
>
> Vaccines don't have mercury.

Yes, they do. Why do you keep lying?

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
>
> > As you probably know, mercury is a known
> > poison. There are known effects of mercury poisoning. I once saw a list of
> > the known effects of mercury poisoning and compared it with a list of the
> > symptoms of children that have autism and many of the things on both lists
> > were similar.
>
> Only superficially. When you look more closely at the symptoms of the
> two, they are not that similar. Autism causes specific changes in the
> brain. Mercury causes *different* changes in the brain.
>
> > If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
> > was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
> > of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
> > similar or in some cases identical.
>
> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
> or vaccines.
>
> Jeff

Liar. Liar.

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/July2001/AutismUniqueMercPoison.htm

From: Jan Drew on
On May 2, 10:57 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jan Drew wrote:
> > Why are you still posting as a dr?
>
> > You have not provide a shred of prrof that you are a doctor.
>
> > If fact you posted your license is not current.
> > That makes you are liar.
>
> Ad hominem attacks are the best you can do.
>
> Have a lovely evening.
>
> Jeff

No attack just the truth. If I am wong prove it. you did not.

Why can you not prove it? Most doctors are proud of their degree, and
post them. Where is yours?

>
>
> > On May 1, 7:10 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> john wrote:
> >>> Dr. Rashid Buttar (who was interviewed for 'Vaccine Wars' but never seen on
> >>> program) speaks out:
> >>>http://www.drbuttar.com/blog/?p=1110#more-1110
> >>> Doctor Accuses PBS Frontline of Selling Out on Vaccine Concern
> >>> (I-Newswire) April 29, 2010 - What price journalistic integrity? That may
> >>> well be the question that PBS needs to answer after this week's airing of
> >>> its top rated show Frontline. Entitled "Vaccine Wars", the episode offered a
> >>> decidedly one-sided viewpoint on the issue of vaccine safety.
> >> I disagree. The show was well-rounded, and examined the risks of
> >> vaccines. The reason why it came to the conclusion that vaccines are
> >> safe and the risks of vaccines are small is because vaccines are safe
> >> and the risk of vaccines are small.
>
> >>> Dr. Rashid
> >>> Buttar, a renowned physician who has received worldwide attention for his
> >>> innovative and groundbreaking work in ridding the human body of toxicities
> >>> that cause illness and disease, gave the program's producers access to his
> >>> clinic, his patients, and himself.
> >> Really? Groundbreaking? I guess that's true in the sense that he
> >> therapies do get people in the ground sooner, either by delaying real
> >> medical care or by killing people outright. He says, "We offer 39
> >> different IV Therapies oriented towards the principles of detoxification
> >> and immune modulation including heavy metal chelation, oxidative
> >> therapies, nutritional IV's, and many other treatments that detoxify and
> >> enhance the immune system." None of these therapies have any proven
> >> benefit for patients in proper studies, risk the patient's lives and
> >> effectively steal money out of patients' pockets. You can read about how
> >> hurtful these therapies are at quackwatch.org.
>
> >>> As Buttar recollects, "Frontline's film crew spent over seven hours in my
> >>> offices, extensively interviewed three of my patients, and then spent almost
> >>> three hours interviewing me one-on-one." Not one single second of this was
> >>> shown on-air. Instead, Frontline recycled dated video footage previously
> >>> released on the internet. Frontline violated Buttar's trust and wasted his
> >>> valuable time; producing a slanted report designed to intimidate and scare
> >>> the public.
> >> Just because he was interviewed doesn't mean that he had anything
> >> worthwhile to say. Apparently, the producers came to that conclusion.
>
> >>> While disappointed at their lack of ethics, Dr. Buttar is not really
> >>> surprised.
> >> Proper ethics requires that only worthwhile stories make it to the air..
> >> They followed their ethics properly.
>
> >>> He and his colleagues continue to crusade against a medical
> >>> profession that hides behind antiquated theories and ineffective, costly
> >>> treatments; and media outlets such as Frontline who further the agenda of
> >>> the lucrative vaccine industry.
> >> Costly therapies, like the millions of lives saved by vaccines?
>
> >>> Buttar also questions what role lobbying by the U.S. Department of Heath &
> >>> Human Services played in Frontline`s decision to air such a skewed report.
> >>> In a recent Readers' Digest interview, HHS Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius,
> >>> admitted to meeting with media in an effort to undermine vaccine detractors
> >>> saying, "We have reached out to media outlets to try to get them to not give
> >>> the views of these people equal weight in their reporting to what science
> >>> has shown and continues to show about the safety of vaccines."
> >> Public health officials have a duty to inform the public about the
> >> truth. That is what she was doing.
>
> >>> Concerns about vaccines are legitimate and growing. Once proclaimed as one
> >>> of greatest achievements of modern medicine, vaccines, their frequency and
> >>> the combinations, have become the subject of increasing unrest within the
> >>> medical and scientific community since 1989.
> >> Really? Vaccines have been the subject of unrest only because the
> >> medical and scientific community is concerned about outbreaks of
> >> diseases, like the outbreaks of measles that we see in unimmunized
> >> communities.
>
> >>> Parents questioning the need
> >>> and the prudence of their child receiving so many shots, and the
> >>> administration of previously singularly administrated vaccines combined into
> >>> "super shots" (such as the MMR Triple Shot) are often met with scorn,
> >>> derision, and admonishment from doctors.
> >> Really? Which doctor would rather have a patient get three pokes rather
> >> than one? Very few.
>
> >>> The fact is that vaccines do contain dangerous toxic substances. One of the
> >>> most dangerous of these is mercury, which is present as a preservative in
> >>> most vaccines, including the flu shot. While many believe mercury was
> >>> removed from vaccines in 2002, Thimerosal ­ or ethyl mercury ­ is still used
> >>> in the manufacturing process of almost all vaccines, but that fact is no
> >>> longer disclosed on the vaccine labels.
> >> Yet only trace amounts remain. Patients are exposed to much organic
> >> mercury, in a much more dangerous form, from eating fish. The thimerosal
> >> in vaccines has never been shown to be harmful in the doses used. And,
> >> the rates of autism and other diseases that people were saying were
> >> caused by thimerasol did not go down after it was removed.
>
> >>> Dr. Buttar is not alone in his Frontline experience; fellow vaccine critics
> >>> Dr. Jay Gordon and Dr. Robert Sears were also interviewed extensively but
> >>> then edited out of the piece. "The show made a mockery of journalism," says
> >>> Buttar, "because it showcased the opinions of a group of "experts", some of
> >>> whom benefit financially from vaccine developments, while at the same time
> >>> it minimized the real concerns in question as nothing more than
> >>> unsubstantiated hysteria." Why didn't they show a single physician who
> >>> agreed with the parents who were against vaccinations?
> >> The show showed good judgment in using only reliable sources.
>
> >>> Frontline purposely pitted pro-vaccine doctors, painted as tireless
> >>> advocates for children, against anti-vaccine parents who were portrayed as
> >>> selfish, irrational and paranoid individuals lacking medical knowledge and
> >>> common sense.
> >> That's correct. And the show got it right.
>
> >>> The end result was a biased piece of tabloid journalism that
> >>> only serves to further confuse, frighten and divide those who question
> >>> vaccines from those who blindly follow medical rhetoric; creating needless
> >>> controversy rather than an intelligent forum for discussion.
> >> Well, we'll have to disagree on that.
>
> >>> Dr. Buttar remains steadfast in the challenge he made during his unaired
> >>> interview with Frontline. "Tell the NIH, CDC, FDA or any vaccine
> >>> manufacturer that I publicly challenge them to select any 20 cases of
> >>> autism, send them all to an independent university and have that university's
> >>> independent pediatric neurologists evaluate all 20 children. Let those
> >>> neurologists identify the 10 most severe cases and I will take them on as
> >>> patients and treat them using my methods. Let the other 10 cases be treated
> >>> with whatever conventional "standard of care" treatment they see fit. But it
> >>> all must be filmed and followed so that the world can determine the truth
> >>> for itself," says Buttar. "After having treated over a thousand patients in
> >>> my own clinic, and having tens of thousands of children treated using our
> >>> methodologies all over the world, I already know what the results will be.
> >>> The problem is - so do they!"
> >> If this guy's treatments are so good, why doesn't he do proper
> >> scientific studies to prove it?
>
> >> Because they don't work!
>
> >> The guy is a crook who is ranting and raving because he feels endangered
> >> by the truth.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Videos
>
> > More Videos Coming Soon
>
> > Documents:
>
> > Medical Board Documents (pdf)
> > Patient A - Brenda W. - Documents (pdf)
> > Patient A - Brenda W. - Response to Charges with References (pdf)
> > Patient B - Lourdes K. - Documents (pdf)
> > Patient B - Lourdes K. - Response to Charges with References (pdf)
> > Patient C - Jeff K. - Documents (pdf)
> > Patient C - Jeff K. - Response to Charges with References (pdf)
> > Patient D - Darlene A. - Documents (pdf)
> > Patient D - Darlene A. - Response to Charges with References (pdf)
> > Demographic Data (pdf)
> > Dr. Buttar Truth Quotes
> > “Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and
> > Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”
> > —- Albert Einstein
>
> > “Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.”
> > —- Abraham Lincoln
>
> > "All truth passes through 3 phases: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it
> > is violently opposed, and Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
> > —- Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> > "There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to
> > conduct, or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the
> > introduction of a new order of things because the innovator has for
> > enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions and
> > lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new."
> > —- Machiavelli, The Prince
>
> >http://www.drbuttartruth.com/documents/Patient%20B%20-%20Lourdes%20K....
>
> >http://www.drbuttar.com/blog/?p=1105
>
> >http://www.drbuttar.com/blog/?p=1110
>
> >http://www.drbuttar.com/blog/?p=1092
>
> > The North Carolina Medical Board has dropped All Original Charges
> > against Dr. Rashid A. Buttar. Dr. Rashid A. Buttar is the Medical
> > Director for the Center for Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research in
> > Huntersville, NC.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From: Peter B. on
"Jan Drew" <jdrew63929(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:d7945803-e06f-4881-9722-91ef8115b063(a)b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 8:01?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 8:41?am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 1, 11:17?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 1, 2:56?pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this
> > > > > case,
> > > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>
> > > > > Jeff
>
> > > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
>
> > > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>
> > > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>
> > MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> > write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> > babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> > the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> > Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism. Its using FEAR to get
> > young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> > toxins
>
> > > > Are they scared parents would rather their child have the damn
> > > > measles
> > > > than take a risk of having a dead or severely disabled child from
> > > > injecting toxins into their baby?
>
> > > > Interesting
>
> > > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
>
> > > > PBS show Religion and Ethics is funded by Eli Lilly makers of
> > > > thimerosal
>
> > > > Funding
> > > > Funding for RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY is provided by Lilly
> > > > Endowment Inc. with additional support from the Corporation for
> > > > Public
> > > > Broadcasting and Mutual of America Life Insurance Company.
> > > > ?The Indianapolis-based Lilly Endowment Inc. was founded in 1937 by
> > > > three members of the Lilly family through gifts of stock in their
> > > > pharmaceutical business, Eli Lilly and Company. The Endowment is a
> > > > separate entity from the company, with a distinct governing board,
> > > > staff and location, and is devoted to the causes of religion,
> > > > education and community development.
>
> > > Do you know the meaning of distinct?
>
> > > I am on the board of an endowment, and we are totally independent of
> > > everything.
>
> > And I own the Brooklyn Bridge!
>
> Nope. I co-chair a special scholarship committee to help kids who have
> potential to succeed at school, but, for reasons beyond their control,
> did not do well in high school. We had a kid this year who the
> principal insisted did not deserve an award, but, we did it anyway,
> simply because the kid showed potential and his problems were not
> within his control.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43

Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At
worst, outright lies.
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And you have a severe case of parrotosis.


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