From: Donna on
On May 5, 10:48 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 04:24:04 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >Jeff, that is NOT true, mercury is a NEUROTOXIN it doesnt matter who
> >is exposed to mercury, its TOXIC to all human beings, But some are
> >more sensitive to the toxicity of mercury than others.
>
> Not true. It depends on
>
> - chemical compound in which mercury is part of
> - percentage
> - intake dosis
> - way of intake




Thats NOT true, why do you continue to spread this false information?



>
> >There is absolutely not one single study proving mercury doesnt cause
> >Autism, There are NUMEROUS studies proving mercury causes seizures and
> >brain damage.
>
> That is NOT the same!
>
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From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 6, 8:35 pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 6, 8:20 am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 5, 10:10 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Donna wrote:
>>>>> On May 5, 6:48 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>>> <...>
>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
>>>>>>> neurotoxin?
>>>>>> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
>>>>>> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
>>>>>> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>>>>> But, there is proof that thimerosal is a neutoxin, it destroys DNA!
>>>> At concentrations much higher than that used in vaccines.
>>>> Jeff
>>> NOT true! Do you have science to back your statement up?
>>> With and without NGF, thimerosal caused elevated
>>> levels of fragmented DNA appearing at 0.01 microM (apoptosis) to
>>> decrease at concentrations >1 microM (necrosis). These data
>>> demonstrate that thimerosal could alter NGF-induced signaling in
>>> neurotrophin-treated cells at concentrations lower than those
>>> responsible for cell death.
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843506?dopt=Abstract
>>> That is 0.01 mcg of thimerosal causing DNA damage, New born infant are
>>> injected with 12.5 mcg of thimerosal just hours after they are born,
>>> But, also when the baby is still in the womb when the mother gets
>>> injected with thimerosal....
>>> Thimerosal can cause DEATH just from breathing it, what fool could
>>> possible think its okay to inject this highly toxic chemical into
>>> babies?
>>> Thats all I have time for, as I need to get out for awhile and enjoy
>>> life! Be back later
>> While you are out, please learn how to convert microM to mcg. They are
>> NOT the same thing.
>
>
>
> No, I dont like to think about anything when Im out having fun, But
> when I get home, I dont mind being the geek. :o)
>
>
>
>
>
>> A micromole is 6.022 x 1017 molecules or atoms. Therefore it depends
>> on what atoms you are requesting the weight of. For carbon-12, there
>> are 12 grams per mole, so there would be 12 micrograms per micromole,
>> or 0.012 milligrams. A mole of Oxygen molecules (O2) are 32 grams per
>> mole, so that would be 0.032 milligrams per micromole.
>> So, in general, first find the molecular weight of the atom or
>> molecule in daltons, and then multiply that by the number of
>> micromoles you have, and finally divide by 1000 to convert from
>> micrograms to milligrams.-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1 microgram (ug) = 1000 nanogram (ng) =1 micromole (umole ) = 1000
> nanomoles (nmole)

That's not true. A mole is not the same as a gram.

A mole is the number of something, usually atoms or molecules. 1 mol =
the number of atoms in a 1g of hydrogen, which is about 6.023 x 10**23.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_%28unit%29

Jeff

>
> So, if just 0.01 microM can cause DNA damage, Just imagine how much
> damage can be done with the equivalent of 12.5 mcg! How much
> thimerosal does it to take to cause severe brain damage to a baby? Or
> cause death to a fetus that was exposed because little Mommy was told
> that she needs a flu vaccine while shes pregnant?
>
>
> We do have a HUGE epidemic of very ill children in the U.S
>
>
> one out of six children have some form of developmental problem, child
> obesity and childhood diabetes is epidemic(There is no doubt that
> thimerosal can cause this, as its genetic and we know for certain that
> thimerosal is genotoxic) smoking doesnt just cause lung cancer, it can
> cause mouth cancer, throat cancer, liver cancer, why doesnt smoking
> just cause lung cancer? Why doesnt mercury just cause seizures, why
> does it cause death in some?
>
>
>
>
>
From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 7, 6:42 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Jason wrote:
>>> In article <rOednbM0bJckBn_WnZ2dnUVZ_jmdn...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>> In article <N7WdneWE4KV6v3_WnZ2dnUVZ_tyqn...(a)giganews.com>,
>>> u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
>>>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <sImdnUMDLvooaHzWnZ2dnUVZ_roAA...(a)giganews.com>,
>>>>> u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> <...>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
>>>>>>>>> neurotoxin?
>>>>>>>> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
>>>>>>>> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
>>>>>>>> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>>>>>>>> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>>>>>>>>> You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
>>>>>>>>> you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>>>>>>>> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
>>>>>>>> of any company.
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>> Thanks for answering my questions. I don't have problems with mercury free
>>>>>>> vaccines that have been properly tested. The vaccine for swine flu was NOT
>>>>>>> properly tested so I did NOT get that vaccine. I do have a problem with
>>>>>>> any vaccine that contains mercury since mercury is poison and is a
>>>>>>> neurotoxin. When even small amount of a neurotoxin is injected into a
>>>>>>> child, it is like playing with fire. Children (esp. babies) do not have
>>>>>>> fully developed immune system. It's for that reason, neurotoxins--even in
>>>>>>> small doses--should not be given to children. At the very least, doctors
>>>>>>> or nurses should test children to determine if they have an allergic
>>>>>>> reaction to mercury.
>>>>>> Allergic reactions to mercury are extremely rare.
>>>>>>> If they do not have an allergic reaction to
>>>>>>> mercury--give them the vaccine. An even better option would be to remove
>>>>>>> thimerasol from all vaccines. Do you see my point?
>>>>>> I see your point, but, because allergic reactions to mercury are so
>>>>>> rare, and doctors are equipped to deal with them, they are a very small
>>>>>> concern.
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Lots of experts would disagree with you. I have read that they have
>>>>> removed mercury from all vaccines in Europe. They must have had good
>>>>> reasons for making that decision. Related to your other point, the reason
>>>>> children could develop autism from mercury could be because of an allergic
>>>>> reaction to mercury.
>>>> An allergic reaction to mercury would be caused by a specific type of
>>>> immune response, similar to the reaction I have to some types of pollen.
>>>> People who are allergic to peanuts get a similar type of allergic
>>>> reaction when they eat peanut butter.
>>>>> There may be other reasons. Have you done any
>>>>> research on a disease called hemochromatosis. Many researchers believe
>>>>> this disease develops because of genetics. It's also possible that
>>>>> children that develop autism have a genetic disorder that causes them to
>>>>> accumulate mercury in their bodies.
>>>> Evidence that this is actually occurring, please.
>>>>> That means that children that do not
>>>>> have this genetic problem would NOT accumulate mercury in their bodies and
>>>>> therefore not develop autism.
>>>>> jason
>>>> This is hypothetical, at best. It fails to explain why mercury poisoning
>>>> affects different parts of the brain than are affected in autism. It
>>>> also fails to explain why the genes that have been identified in autism
>>>> have nothing to do with handling mercury in the body.
>>>> Jeff
>>> Jeff,
>>> Yes, it is hypothetical but it could explain why some children develop
>>> autism shortly after getting a vaccine that contains mercury and other
>>> children do NOT develop autism after taking vaccines that contain mercury.
>>> jason
>> If mercury affected the same parts of the brain, then, hypothetically,
>> yes. But, because it affects different parts of the brain, then, mercury
>> doesn't cause autism.-
>
>
>
>
> Thats ridiculous! You sound like a tobacco lawyer, smoking causes lung
> cancer, there is no way it could cause throat cancer, it just doesnt
> do that!

Bad analogy. Mercury causes a lot of problems, in many different organs.
A better analogy is claiming that tobacco doesn't cause sickle cell
anemia, because it doesn't cause the mutation that causes sick cell anemia.

So, I am correct. For mercury to cause autism, it would have to affect
the particular parts of the brain that are affected in autism. It doesn't.

Jeff
From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 5, 10:48 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 04:24:04 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Jeff, that is NOT true, mercury is a NEUROTOXIN it doesnt matter who
>>> is exposed to mercury, its TOXIC to all human beings, But some are
>>> more sensitive to the toxicity of mercury than others.
>> Not true. It depends on
>>
>> - chemical compound in which mercury is part of
>> - percentage
>> - intake dosis
>> - way of intake
>
>
>
>
> Thats NOT true, why do you continue to spread this false information?

You are nuts? There are different mercury compounds. Each has different
properties.

What you're suggesting is that because water, acetic acid, and DNA are
compounds that have hydrogen in them, they all behave the same way. They
don't.

And when you say that way of intake doesn't matter, that's like saying
that swimming in the ocean is the same thing as drinking a glass of water.

Your argument is wrong and very stupid.

Jeff

>>> There is absolutely not one single study proving mercury doesnt cause
>>> Autism, There are NUMEROUS studies proving mercury causes seizures and
>>> brain damage.
>> That is NOT the same!
>>
>> .
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>> ...................................................................
>
From: Donna on
On May 5, 6:45 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Donna wrote:
> > On May 5, 6:07 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> Jason wrote:
> >>>>> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
> >>>>> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
> >>>>> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
> >>>>> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly?  Does smoking only
> >>>>> cause lung cancer?
> >>>> Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.
> >>>>>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
> >>>>>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
> >>>>>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
> >>>>>>> similar or in some cases identical.
> >>>>>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
> >>>>>> or vaccines.
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
> >>>>> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
> >>>>> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
> >>>>> metals causing damage to a childs brain.
> >>>> Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
> >>>> vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
> >>>> support your conjecture.
> >>> That's a good point. However, vaccines are NOT the only source of mercury
> >>> poisoning. For example, fish also contains mercury. If ALL mercury was
> >>> removed from vaccines, children would still develop autism if they ate
> >>> fish that contained mercury.
> >> Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism. It causes other types of brain
> >> damage.
>
> >>> However, it's the opinion of lots of experts
> >>> that less children would develop autism since not all children eat fish
> >>> that contain mercury and many children may NEVER be exposed to mercury.
> >> No, it is not. Mercury doesn't cause autism.
>
> >>> Almost everyone knows people that are lactose intolerant. There are some
> >>> experts that believe that some children are mercury intolerant.
> >> Really? What is "mercury intolerance"?
>
> >>> In other
> >>> words, they develop a reaction to mercury and that reaction could be
> >>> autism.
> >> Which experts? Evidence please.
>
> >>> I have read that there is a test that doctors can conduct to
> >>> determine if a child has an allergic reaction to mercury.
> >>http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/mercurytests.....
>
> >>> I don't know the
> >>> reason why the children that have autism are not tested to determine if
> >>> they have an allergic reaction to mercury.
> >> Because the very rare allergic reactions to mercury are very rare and
> >> are just like any other allergy (a particular type of immune response)..
> >> They don't cause autism.
>
> >> Jeff-
>
> > Jeff, that is NOT true, mercury is a NEUROTOXIN it doesnt matter who
> > is exposed to mercury, its TOXIC to all human beings, But some are
> > more sensitive to the toxicity of mercury than others.
>
> That's irrelevant. An allergic reaction is a specific type of reaction
> mediated by the immune system. It has absolutely nothing to do with the
> other biological properties of a compound.


So, are you saying some can ingest poison chemicals and not have a
reaction, while others can die from it? You dont make any sense.



> > There is absolutely not one single study proving mercury doesnt cause
> > Autism, There are NUMEROUS studies proving mercury causes seizures and
> > brain damage.
>
> Yet, there are many studies have looked at correlation of Thimerosal and
> autism. No correlation has been seen.



Have you actually read any of those studies? These are PHARMA paid
studies, that didnt even use good science, they only used
observations. We arent talking about walking on the moon, where we
spend billions of dollars, we are talking about CHILDRENS lives. We
have a serious epidemic of developmentally disabled children in our
country, I think they should be number one priority over anything
else. Lets not forget about the children with obesity and cancer and
asthma, and every other disease known.




I was watching a Documentary about human relationships, They
interviewed a Mom in Fl, Her young son killed himself because he was
being bullied and tormented. She managed to get Jeffrey's law passed
in Fl. that makes it a law that schools take charge when a child is
being bullied. This Mom not only used her brain, But she used her
HEART, SOUL and EMOTIONS to get a "wrong" corrected.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye17IH5Hb0M



>
> The biggest study was done when thimerasol was removed from vaccines.
> Yet, no decrease in the incidence of autism was seen.
>
> You can't absolutely prove that something doesn't cause something else.
> I can prove that the size of the huge hurricaine on Jupiter is causing
> me to lose weight. However, there are far better explanations, like not
> eating as much and getting more excercise. Likewise, I cannot prove that
> autism is not caused by thimerasol. However, the issue has been
> examined, and the data indicate that timerasol does not cause autism. No
> mechanism is known how thimerasol could cause autism (being a neurotoxin
> is not enough - the mechanism of how timerosal is toxic is well known,
> yet, the damage done by thimerasol is not consistant with autism.
> Different parts of the brain are damage, and over a different time
> course. And, autism has a genetic basis.) So, there's no evidence that
> autism is caused by thimerosal and plenty of evidence that it isn't.
>
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