From: Donna on
On May 6, 8:35 pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 6, 8:20 am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 10:10 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > Donna wrote:
> > > > On May 5, 6:48 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > > >> Jason wrote:
>
> > > >> <...>
>
> > > >>> Jeff,
> > > >>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
> > > >>> neurotoxin?
> > > >> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
> > > >> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
> > > >> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>
> > > > But, there is proof that thimerosal is a neutoxin, it destroys DNA!
>
> > > At concentrations much higher than that used in vaccines.
>
> > > Jeff
>
> > NOT true! Do you have science to back your statement up?
>
> > With and without NGF, thimerosal caused elevated
> > levels of fragmented DNA appearing at 0.01 microM (apoptosis) to
> > decrease at concentrations >1 microM (necrosis). These data
> > demonstrate that thimerosal could alter NGF-induced signaling in
> > neurotrophin-treated cells at concentrations lower than those
> > responsible for cell death.
>
> >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843506?dopt=Abstract
>
> > That is 0.01 mcg of thimerosal causing DNA damage, New born infant are
> > injected with 12.5 mcg of thimerosal just hours after they are born,
> > But, also when the baby is still in the womb when the mother gets
> > injected with thimerosal....
>
> > Thimerosal can cause DEATH just from breathing it, what fool could
> > possible think its okay to inject this highly toxic chemical into
> > babies?
>
> > Thats all I have time for, as I need to get out for awhile and enjoy
> > life! Be back later
>
> While you are out, please learn how to convert microM to mcg. They are
> NOT the same thing.



No, I dont like to think about anything when Im out having fun, But
when I get home, I dont mind being the geek. :o)





>
> A micromole is 6.022 x 1017 molecules or atoms. Therefore it depends
> on what atoms you are requesting the weight of. For carbon-12, there
> are 12 grams per mole, so there would be 12 micrograms per micromole,
> or 0.012 milligrams. A mole of Oxygen molecules (O2) are 32 grams per
> mole, so that would be 0.032 milligrams per micromole.
> So, in general, first find the molecular weight of the atom or
> molecule in daltons, and then multiply that by the number of
> micromoles you have, and finally divide by 1000 to convert from
> micrograms to milligrams.-






1 microgram (ug) = 1000 nanogram (ng) =1 micromole (umole ) = 1000
nanomoles (nmole)



So, if just 0.01 microM can cause DNA damage, Just imagine how much
damage can be done with the equivalent of 12.5 mcg! How much
thimerosal does it to take to cause severe brain damage to a baby? Or
cause death to a fetus that was exposed because little Mommy was told
that she needs a flu vaccine while shes pregnant?


We do have a HUGE epidemic of very ill children in the U.S


one out of six children have some form of developmental problem, child
obesity and childhood diabetes is epidemic(There is no doubt that
thimerosal can cause this, as its genetic and we know for certain that
thimerosal is genotoxic) smoking doesnt just cause lung cancer, it can
cause mouth cancer, throat cancer, liver cancer, why doesnt smoking
just cause lung cancer? Why doesnt mercury just cause seizures, why
does it cause death in some?





From: Donna on
On May 7, 6:42 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jason wrote:
> > In article <rOednbM0bJckBn_WnZ2dnUVZ_jmdn...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
>
> >> Jason wrote:
> >>> In article <N7WdneWE4KV6v3_WnZ2dnUVZ_tyqn...(a)giganews.com>,
> > u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
> >>>> Jason wrote:
> >>>>> In article <sImdnUMDLvooaHzWnZ2dnUVZ_roAA...(a)giganews.com>,
> >>> u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
> >>>>>> Jason wrote:
>
> >>>>>> <...>
>
> >>>>>>> Jeff,
> >>>>>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
> >>>>>>> neurotoxin?
> >>>>>> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
> >>>>>> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
> >>>>>> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
> >>>>>> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>
> >>>>>>> You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
> >>>>>>> you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
> >>>>>> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
> >>>>>> of any company.
>
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>> Jeff,
> >>>>> Thanks for answering my questions. I don't have problems with mercury free
> >>>>> vaccines that have been properly tested. The vaccine for swine flu was NOT
> >>>>> properly tested so I did NOT get that vaccine. I do have a problem with
> >>>>> any vaccine that contains mercury since mercury is poison and is a
> >>>>> neurotoxin. When even small amount of a neurotoxin is injected into a
> >>>>> child, it is like playing with fire. Children (esp. babies) do not have
> >>>>> fully developed immune system. It's for that reason, neurotoxins--even in
> >>>>> small doses--should not be given to children. At the very least, doctors
> >>>>> or nurses should test children to determine if they have an allergic
> >>>>> reaction to mercury.
> >>>> Allergic reactions to mercury are extremely rare.
>
> >>>>> If they do not have an allergic reaction to
> >>>>> mercury--give them the vaccine. An even better option would be to remove
> >>>>> thimerasol from all vaccines. Do you see my point?
> >>>> I see your point, but, because allergic reactions to mercury are so
> >>>> rare, and doctors are equipped to deal with them, they are a very small
> >>>> concern.
>
> >>>> Jeff
> >>> Lots of experts would disagree with you. I have read that they have
> >>> removed mercury from all vaccines in Europe. They must have had good
> >>> reasons for making that decision. Related to your other point, the reason
> >>> children could develop autism from mercury could be because of an allergic
> >>> reaction to mercury.
> >> An allergic reaction to mercury would be caused by a specific type of
> >> immune response, similar to the reaction I have to some types of pollen.
> >> People who are allergic to peanuts get a similar type of allergic
> >> reaction when they eat peanut butter.
>
> >>> There may be other reasons. Have you done any
> >>> research on a disease called hemochromatosis. Many researchers believe
> >>> this disease develops because of genetics. It's also possible that
> >>> children that develop autism have a genetic disorder that causes them to
> >>> accumulate mercury in their bodies.
> >> Evidence that this is actually occurring, please.
>
> >>> That means that children that do not
> >>> have this genetic problem would NOT accumulate mercury in their bodies and
> >>> therefore not develop autism.
> >>> jason
> >> This is hypothetical, at best. It fails to explain why mercury poisoning
> >> affects different parts of the brain than are affected in autism. It
> >> also fails to explain why the genes that have been identified in autism
> >> have nothing to do with handling mercury in the body.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Jeff,
> > Yes, it is hypothetical but it could explain why some children develop
> > autism shortly after getting a vaccine that contains mercury and other
> > children do NOT develop autism after taking vaccines that contain mercury.
> > jason
>
> If mercury affected the same parts of the brain, then, hypothetically,
> yes. But, because it affects different parts of the brain, then, mercury
> doesn't cause autism.-




Thats ridiculous! You sound like a tobacco lawyer, smoking causes lung
cancer, there is no way it could cause throat cancer, it just doesnt
do that!



From: Donna on
On May 6, 5:14 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bdfe113a-96e1-4589-937c-a9ed4e8d78f1(a)h9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On May 5, 10:24 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3e820e23-4cad-4d3d-b51b-984100732a6b(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com....
> > On May 5, 12:08 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:011f1119-0c34-4524-99e5-8bddb73ac0f1(a)g21g2000yqk.googlegroups.com....
> > > On May 4, 8:47 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:f3991698-8459-487c-b3b9-db56def36f14(a)d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On May 3, 7:45 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:665d9777-4730-48d7-9ca8-f97c6a3a1bf7(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups..com...
> > > > > On May 2, 10:51 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:dc8afd0a-9caf-43b9-a7bf-16682e4c64f3(a)r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On May 1, 11:17 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 1, 2:56 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > case,
> > > > > > > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>
> > > > > > > > > Jeff
>
> > > > > > > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > > > > > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby,
> > > > > > > > WHY?
>
> > > > > > > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>
> > > > > > > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>
> > > > > > MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do
> > > > > > injury
> > > > > > babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with
> > > > > > measles?
> > > > > > Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism. Its using FEAR to
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > toxins
>
> > > > > > > > Are they scared parents would rather their child have the damn
> > > > > > > > measles
> > > > > > > > than take a risk of having a dead or severely disabled child
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > injecting toxins into their baby?
>
> > > > > > > > Interesting
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
>
> > > > > > > > PBS show Religion and Ethics is funded by Eli Lilly makers of
> > > > > > > > thimerosal
>
> > > > > > > > Funding
> > > > > > > > Funding for RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY is provided by Lilly
> > > > > > > > Endowment Inc. with additional support from the Corporation
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > Public
> > > > > > > > Broadcasting and Mutual of America Life Insurance Company.
> > > > > > > > The Indianapolis-based Lilly Endowment Inc. was founded in
> > > > > > > > 1937
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > three members of the Lilly family through gifts of stock in
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > pharmaceutical business, Eli Lilly and Company. The Endowment
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > separate entity from the company, with a distinct governing
> > > > > > > > board,
> > > > > > > > staff and location, and is devoted to the causes of religion,
> > > > > > > > education and community development.
>
> > > > > > > Do you know the meaning of distinct?
>
> > > > > > > I am on the board of an endowment, and we are totally
> > > > > > > independent
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > everything.
>
> > > > > > And I own the Brooklyn Bridge!
> > > > > > ============================================
> > > > > > Then please repair it
>
> > > > > Sure, thing, :o) But do you mind contributing to the "Repair the
> > > > > Brooklyn Bridge Foundation"
> > > > > ===============================================
> > > > > I gave at the office. ;O)
>
> > > > YOUR check bounced!
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Darn, I was wondering about that when I paid for my small jet boat.-
>
> > > Oh, I see how you are, you SELFISH person!
> > > =================================================
> > > Yes, I have been guilty of that on more than one occasion.
> > > In this case I got rid of that boat as I can only use it occasionally
> > > and
> > > got a fast car, the downside is that it requires frequent tune-ups at 15
> > > grand each. Guess the donation for the bridge will be on hold. :(-
>
> > Are you teasing me? What kind of car requires 15k just for a tune-
> > up? ;o)
> > ================================================
> > A Lambo, minor tune ups are 3-4 grand.-
>
> So, what kind of car requires 15k for a minor tune-up? ;o)
> =================================================
> Lambo's, 3-4 for a minor, 15 for a major tune up.-


So, what kind of car do you drive? Let me guess!!


ummmmmmmmm, you seem like the sedan kind of guy, Im going to guess you
drive a forgein made car, a Toyoda! :o)


From: Donna on
On May 7, 5:48 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...(a)ratbags.com> wrote:
> Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 6 May 2010 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On May 5, 9:12 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >On May 5, 10:49 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> >>> >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >WHY was there an urgent rush to INJECT pregnant women with mercury via
> >>> >> >the flu vaccine right after mercury was removed from childhood
> >>> >> >vaccines? You know this is the most critical time to keep women away
> >>> >> >from mercury as the fetus acts as a sponge soaking up heavy metals
> >>> >> >from the mothers body, trapping it in its own.
>
> >>> >> How much fish do pregnant women eat?
>
> >>> >Thats a silly question, How am I to know how much fish anyone eats?
> >>> >How much fish do you eat?
>
> >>> This shows your ignorance.
>
> >>> Fish contains mercury. This is why years ago in Germany scientist made estimates
> >>> about how much fish OF WHAT OF WHAT TYPE a pregnat can eat.
>
> >>Ahhhhhhhh, The Germans, They just adored people years ago, didnt they!
>
> >Your statement does not make any sense.
>
> I suspect it was approaching Godwin.


Go climb in a crocodile hole!
>
>
>
> >As usual...
>
> >>> Many people eat fish regularly. They have no idea about HOW MUCH mercury they
> >>> ingest.
>
> >>> .
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From: Donna on
On May 6, 9:11 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 05:15:10 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 5, 9:12 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 5, 10:49 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >WHY was there an urgent rush to INJECT pregnant women with mercury via
> >> >> >the flu vaccine right after mercury was removed from childhood
> >> >> >vaccines? You know this is the most critical time to keep women away
> >> >> >from mercury as the fetus acts as a sponge soaking up heavy metals
> >> >> >from the mothers body, trapping it in its own.
>
> >> >> How much fish do pregnant women eat?
>
> >> >Thats a silly question, How am I to know how much fish anyone eats?
> >> >How much fish do you eat?
>
> >> This shows your ignorance.
>
> >> Fish contains mercury. This is why years ago in Germany scientist made estimates
> >> about how much fish OF WHAT OF WHAT TYPE a pregnat can eat.
>
> >Ahhhhhhhh, The Germans, They just adored people years ago, didnt they!
>
> Your statement does not make any sense.
>
> As usual...





It makes perfect sense to me!
>
> >> Many people eat fish regularly. They have no idea about HOW MUCH mercury they
> >> ingest.
>
> >> .
> >> --
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> >> ...................................................................
>
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