From: Donna on
On May 5, 10:10 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Donna wrote:
> > On May 5, 6:48 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> Jason wrote:
>
> >> <...>
>
> >>> Jeff,
> >>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
> >>> neurotoxin?
> >> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
> >> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
> >> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>
> > But, there is proof that thimerosal is a neutoxin, it destroys DNA!
>
> At concentrations much higher than that used in vaccines.
>
> Jeff



NOT true! Do you have science to back your statement up?


With and without NGF, thimerosal caused elevated
levels of fragmented DNA appearing at 0.01 microM (apoptosis) to
decrease at concentrations >1 microM (necrosis). These data
demonstrate that thimerosal could alter NGF-induced signaling in
neurotrophin-treated cells at concentrations lower than those
responsible for cell death.




http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843506?dopt=Abstract



That is 0.01 mcg of thimerosal causing DNA damage, New born infant are
injected with 12.5 mcg of thimerosal just hours after they are born,
But, also when the baby is still in the womb when the mother gets
injected with thimerosal....




Thimerosal can cause DEATH just from breathing it, what fool could
possible think its okay to inject this highly toxic chemical into
babies?




Thats all I have time for, as I need to get out for awhile and enjoy
life! Be back later
>
>
>
> >> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>
> >>> You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
> >>> you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
> >> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
> >> of any company.
>
> >> Jeff
>
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From: Mark Probert on
On May 6, 12:49 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> I see you are still lying.  You proved with your own words, you are
> not a doctor.
>
> Why would anyone believe anything you post?

Hmmmm...because he is educated FAR MORE than you are, writes
coherently, does not stalk, harass or abuse, is not a bigot, and is an
all around nice guy.

You should learn from him.

> On May 5, 5:58 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jan Drew wrote:
> > > On May 3, 6:05 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > >> Jan Drew wrote:
> > >>> On May 2, 8:23 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > >>>> Kevysmom wrote:
> > >>>>>> You now know the reason that most people in America (including myself) do
> > >>>>>> NOT waste our time watching PBS shows. PBS has to rely mainly on the gov't
> > >>>>>> for funding. They do collect donations but as far as I know--most of their
> > >>>>>> funding comes from the government. If it was not for gov't funding, PBS
> > >>>>>> would have gone out of business many years ago. Most all of their
> > >>>>>> producers and directors are very liberal
> > >>>>> Major funding for PBS is from tax payers donating moent to the
> > >>>>> government by force, Then the government forces parents to vaccinate
> > >>>>> their babies,
> > >>>> No one forces anyone to be vaccinated.
> > >>> A blatant lie.
> > >>>http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WaterCooler/story?id=3880578&page=1
> > >> From the story: "Hundreds of parents and their children descended on a
> > >> suburban Maryland courtroom today to protest a judge's order requiring
> > >> all children to be vaccinated in order to attend classes."
>
> > >> The parents have the option of a religious exemption. In addition, they
> > >> have the option of homeschooling.
>
> > >> Jeff
>
> > > Rather difficult when both parents have to work.
>
> > Really?
>
> Yes, really.  One cannot be at home with their kids if they are
> working.  Duh.

Well, if they have to work, then they have to go by the rules.

>  How difficult is it to get a religious exemption?
>
> They should not have to.  It is their right not to vaccine.

Yes, for themselves, but not for the community as a whole, and the
school community in particular. Their choice not to vaccinate may
impact on others.

> >As far as home schooling is concerned, that's their problem.
>
> > Jeff
>
> How nice, since you don't have any kids, you have not a clue.

People have choices and choices lead to consequences.
From: Mark Probert on
On May 6, 2:13 am, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <9d0f6622-9c78-4002-b711-8407c27eb...(a)v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 5, 8:53=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <sImdnUMDLvooaHzWnZ2dnUVZ_roAA...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu =
> > wrote:
> > > > Jason wrote:
>
> > > > <...>
>
> > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
> > > > > neurotoxin?
>
> > > > No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
> > > > I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
> > > > no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used=
> > .
> > > > And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>
> > > > > You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
> > > > > you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>
> > > > No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
> > > > of any company.
>
> > > > Jeff
>
> > > Jeff,
> > > Thanks for answering my questions. I don't have problems with mercury fre=
> > e
> > > vaccines that have been properly tested. The vaccine for swine flu was NO=
> > T
> > > properly tested so I did NOT get that vaccine.
>
> > Sure it was. It was manufactured in exactly the same manner as all
> > previous flu vaccines, and underwent testing.
>
> > I do have a problem with
> > > any vaccine that contains mercury since mercury is poison and is a
> > > neurotoxin.
>
> > However, dose is what is important, and the dose used is miniscule. It
> > is not toxic at the dose used.
>
> > When even small amount of a neurotoxin is injected into a
> > > child, it is like playing with fire. Children (esp. babies) do not have
> > > fully developed immune system.
>
> > The immune system of babies is just fine. They are dealing with
> > hundreds, if not thousands, of antigens each day.
>
> > It's for that reason, neurotoxins--even in
> > > small doses--should not be given to children. At the very least, doctors
> > > or nurses should test children to determine if they have an allergic
> > > reaction to mercury.
>
> > Mercury allergy is extraordinarily rare. Since a child can get all the
> > vaccines without Thimerosal, this is a wasted step.
>
> > If they do not have an allergic reaction to
> > > mercury--give them the vaccine. An even better option would be to remove
> > > thimerasol from all vaccines.
>
> > That has been done.
>
> > > Do you see my point?
>
> > Your point is that you are nearly a decade out of date?
>
> Eventually mercury will be removed from ALL vaccines and that should end
> all debates on this subject.-

Anti-vac liars have already moved on from the mecury issue. Try to
keep up with your peers.

From: Mark Probert on
On May 6, 12:55 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Not doc you lied, you posted vaccines don't have mercury.
>
> Now apologize for lying.

Up your DREWhole. YOU posted a link to a chart that shows a child can
get all childhood vaccines without mercury.

>
> On May 5, 6:02 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jan Drew wrote:
> > > On May 3, 6:09Â pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > >> Jan Drew wrote:
> > >>> On May 2, 10:56 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> > >>>> Jason wrote:
> > >>>>> In article
> > >>>>> <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> > >>>>> Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this =
> > >>>>>> case,
> > >>>>>>>>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> > >>>>>>>>>> Jeff
> > >>>>>>>>> WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > >>>>>>>>> fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
> > >>>>>>>> Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
> > >>>>>>>> Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
> > >>>>>>> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> > >>>>>>> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> > >>>>>>> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> > >>>>>>> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> > >>>>>> I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
> > >>>>>> vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
> > >>>>>> year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
> > >>>>>> brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
> > >>>>>> inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
> > >>>>>>> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
> > >>>>>> There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
> > >>>>>> have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
> > >>>>>> valid side.
> > >>>>>> Its using FEAR to get
> > >>>>>>> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> > >>>>>>> toxins
> > >>>>>> You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
> > >>>>>> fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
> > >>>>> The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines. Have you ever
> > >>>>> seen any children that had autism? Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
> > >>>>> that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
> > >>>>> shots that contain mercury.
> > >>>> Vaccines don't have mercury.
> > >>> Yes, they do. Â Why do you keep lying?
> > >> Which ones do?
>
> > > Not doc, can you not read?
>
> > They're all zero or trace except for influenza and ones given to kids
> > older than 2.
>
> > Jeff
>
> > >http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
>
> > > Thimerosal Content in Some US Licensed Vaccines
> > > February 23, 2010
> > > PDF of Table (25 KB)
>
> > > Vaccine
> > >  Brand Name
>
> > > (click on the brand name for package insert)
> > >  Manufacturer
> > >  Thimerosal Concentration1
> > >  Mercury
> > >  mcg/0.5 ml
>
> > > Anthrax
> > >  BioThrax
> > >  BioPort Corporation
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > DTaP
> > > Tripedia  sanofi pasteur  *  *
> > > Infanrix
> > >  GlaxoSmithKline
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > DAPTACEL sanofi pasteur  0
> > >  0
>
> > > DTaP-HepB-IPV Pediarix GlaxoSmithKline 0 0
> > > DTaP-IPV-Hib Pentacel sanofi pasteur 0 0
> > > DTaP-Hib TriHIBit  sanofi pasteur *  *
> > > DTwP
> > >  All Products
>
> > >  .01%
> > >  25
>
> > > DT
> > >  Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids Adsorbed USP
> > >  multi-dose sanofi pasteur
> > >  .01%
> > >  25
>
> > > single dose  *
> > >  *
> > > Td
> > >  DECAVAC sanofi pasteur *
> > >  *
> > > Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Adsorbed
> > >  sanofi pasteur
> > >  *
> > >  *
>
> > > Tdap
> > >  ADACEL sanofi pasteur 0 0
> > > Boostrix
> > >  GlaxoSmithKline
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Tetanus Toxoid
> > >  Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed USP
> > >  sanofi pasteur
> > >  .01%
> > >  25
>
> > > Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed Adult Use .01% 25
> > > Booster   .01% 25
> > > Hib
> > >  ActHIB
> > >  sanofi pasteur
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Hiberix GlaxoSmithKline 0 0
> > > HibTITER    Wyeth-Ayerst 0  0
> > > PedvaxHIB liquid(2)  Merck  0  0
> > > Hib/HepB Comvax (3)  Merck  0  0
> > > Hepatitis A
> > >  Havrix
> > >  GlaxoSmithKline
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Vaqta  adult/pediatric  Merck  0  0
> > > Hepatitis B
> > >  Engerix-B preservative free
> > >  GlaxoSmithKline
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Recombivax HB preservative free  Merck  0  0
> > > Hep A-B
> > >  Twinrix
> > >  GlaxoSmithKline
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > HPV
>
> > >  Cervarix
> > >  GlaxoSmithKline
> > >  0  0
> > > Gardasil
> > >  Merck
> > >  0  0
> > > Influenza 2009/10 Formula Afluria multi-dose CSL Limited .01% 24.5
> > > single dose  0  0
> > > Agriflu Novartis 0  0
> > > Fluarix GlaxoSmithKline   ≤1
> > > FluLaval GlaxoSmithKline .01% 25
> > > FluMist MedImmune 0 0
> > > Fluvirin Novartis .01% 24.5
> > > Fluzone 5 mL vial sanofi pasteur .01% 25
> > > No Preservative 0 0
> > > Influenza A - H1N1 2009
>
> > >  Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
> > >  multi-dose CSL Limited
> > >  .01%
> > >  24.5
>
> > > single dose 0
> > >  0
>
> > > Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
> > >  multi-dose Novartis
> > >  .01%
> > >  25
>
> > > single dose
> > >  â‰¤1
>
> > > Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
> > >  multi-dose sanofi pasteur
> > >  .01%
> > >  25
>
> > > single dose (.25 & .5 mL) 0
> > >  0
>
> > > Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine multi-dose GlaxoSmithKline .
> > > 01%
> > >  25
>
> > > Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal  MedImmune
> > > 0 0
> > > IPV
> > >  IPOL
> > >  sanofi pasteur
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Japanese Encephalitis Ixiaro     commercial | military
> > >  Intercell Biomedical 0
> > >  0
>
> > > JE-Vax sanofi pasteur 0.007%
> > > Meningococcal
> > >  Menactra sanofi pasteur 0
> > >  0
>
> > > MENOMUNE-A/C/Y/W-135
> > >  multi-dose sanofi pasteur
> > >  .01%
> > >  25
>
> > > single dose  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Menveo Novartis  0
> > >  0
>
> > > MMR
> > >  M-M-R II
> > >  Merck
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > MMR-Varicella ProQuad Merck 0 0
> > > Polio IPOL sanofi pasteur  0 0
> > > Pneumococcal
> > >  Prevnar
> > >  Wyeth-Ayerst
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Pneumovax 23    Merck  0  0
> > > Rabies
>
> > > RabAvert  Chiron  0  0
> > > IMOVAX
> > >  sanofi pasteur  0  0
> > > Rotavirus
> > >  RotaTeq Merck  0  0
> > > Typhoid Fever  Typhim Vi
> > >  sanofi pasteur
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Vivotif Berna Biotch 0  0
> > > Varicella Zoster
>
> > >  Varivax
> > >  Merck
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Zostavax
> > >  Merck
> > >  0
> > >  0
>
> > > Yellow Fever
> > >  YF-VAX
> > >  sanofi pasteur
> > >  0
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From: Mark Probert on
On May 6, 1:17 am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Give it up not doc.  I know far more that you do about Mercury.
>
> http://www.naturalnews.

I agree, to a point. The point is, you know far more about mercury
than the DREWholes at Un-NaturalNews.

That is not saying much.

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