From: Peter B. on
"Donna" <kevysmom10(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 2, 8:23 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:

>
> Good! Unfortunately, juries tend to find for the families, regardless of
> the facts, because drug companies are perceived to have deep pockets and
> feel sorry for the kids.




Thats not true. The parents that have wone, WHAT the hell did they
win? Dont forget Jeff, I belong to a support group that has MANY
parents who have "won" their lawsuit for vaccine injured babies. NO,
they cant talk about the "winning the case" BUT they can talk about
their child, and right now a friends child that "won" her case years
ago is in the hospital, fighting for her life from the seizures, she
has a feeding tube, cant walk, cant communicate, and has her fragile
body ravished by horrible seizures that are strong enough to shut down
your organs. Thats what a vaccine INJURED child deals with for LIFE!
Chicken-pox is a blessing, and so is measles and polio compared to a
severe vaccine injury, and thats the TRUTH!
==================================================
Are you suggesting that it is better to have 3000 kids die from a disease
than to have 75 kids with very difficult lives?

If you suggest that it would have been better off for the 75 kids to die
then are you suggesting paying off their parents and terminating the kids
lives?


From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 2, 8:23 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Kevysmom wrote:
>>>> You now know the reason that most people in America (including myself) do
>>>> NOT waste our time watching PBS shows. PBS has to rely mainly on the gov't
>>>> for funding. They do collect donations but as far as I know--most of their
>>>> funding comes from the government. If it was not for gov't funding, PBS
>>>> would have gone out of business many years ago. Most all of their
>>>> producers and directors are very liberal
>>> Major funding for PBS is from tax payers donating moent to the
>>> government by force, Then the government forces parents to vaccinate
>>> their babies,
>> No one forces anyone to be vaccinated.
>
>
>
>
>
> REALLY?? Maybe you live under a giant rock??
>
>
> Parents Face Fines, Jail Time for Failure to Immunize
> School District Orders Parents to Appear in Court for Failure to
> Immunize
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/story?id=3866502&page=1

The parents have the right to have their kids homeschooled. And if
immunization conflicts with a parent's or kid's religious beliefs, the
kid is exempt from immunization in the state of Maryland.

>
>>> The babies become severely injured or die,
>> Actually, that very rarely happens. What also very rarely happens is
>> that people get serious problems or die from vaccine-preventable
>> diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, chicken-pox, tetanus, Hib
>> menigitis and pneumonia. That amounts to thousands of lives saved a year.
>
>
>
>
>
> YOU dont know if those children died from chicken-pox or from an
> adverse reaction to some drug the child was prescribed,

If the child has bacteria growing in his blood and dies with signs and
symptoms of an infection, you can be almost 100% certain.

> MY severely
> disabled son, did get dehydrated when he had the chicken-pox, he has
> severe swallowing problems, and when hes sick its just a total night
> mare to get him to drink at all... so he spent time in the
> hospital....... NO MEDICATION just fluid IV.

What about kids who don't get to the hospital on time? Kids get severely
dehydrated very fast, especially when they are sick.

> He was happy and joyful
> within a day!

What about the kids who die from chicken-pox? They will never be happy
and joyful.

> So, about these babies that have a severe reaction to
> vaccines, The seizures these children suffer from are HORRIFIC many
> are placed in medicine induced comas just to prevent the seizures from
> causing more brain damage or death.

How many are "many?" Numbers and evidence, please.

> I KNOW this, BUT why didnt PBS
> show the world what happens to a vaccine injured baby? Dont you think
> parents should have the RIGHT to know what could happen to their baby
> for allowing Dr Joe-Blow to vaccinate their little one?

Ask PBS. However, the risks of the diseases are far more than the risks
of the vaccines.

> WHY keep hiding the TRUTH from parents?

You mean like when the antivaccine liars tell how dangerous vaccines are
and fail to tell about the lives saved?

>>> The parents
>>> cant sue the pharmectutical company, it has to sue the government
>> Good! Unfortunately, juries tend to find for the families, regardless of
>> the facts, because drug companies are perceived to have deep pockets and
>> feel sorry for the kids.
>
>
>
>
> Thats not true.

Bull. Juries find for kids even when there is no evidence that the
vaccines did cause anything.

> The parents that have wone, WHAT the hell did they
> win? Dont forget Jeff, I belong to a support group that has MANY
> parents who have "won" their lawsuit for vaccine injured babies.

Good, ask those parents what they won.

> NO,
> they cant talk about the "winning the case" BUT they can talk about
> their child, and right now a friends child that "won" her case years
> ago is in the hospital, fighting for her life from the seizures, she
> has a feeding tube, cant walk, cant communicate, and has her fragile
> body ravished by horrible seizures that are strong enough to shut down
> your organs. Thats what a vaccine INJURED child deals with for LIFE!
> Chicken-pox is a blessing, and so is measles and polio compared to a
> severe vaccine injury, and thats the TRUTH!

Unless the child dies from the infection.

>>> Oh, and Eli Lilly is the maker of thimerosal(Mercury that was/is being
>>> injected into newborn babies and pregnant women)
>> Was. Thimerosal is no long in childhood vaccines. In the very small
>> doses that were used, thimerosal has never been shown to be harmful.
>
> THATS not true, Thimerosal has never been shown to cause Autism, But
> its NEVER
> been shown that it doesnt cause harm. JUST the oppoiste.

When was it shown to cause harm in the doses used?

Real evidence please.

> In
>> fact, kids get more mercury, in a more harmful form (methylmercury) from
>> eating fish. In addition, after thimerosal was removed from vaccines, no
>> reduction in diseases that were conjectured to be caused by vaccines was
>> seen.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> Im NOT talking about autism!

Who said you were? Regardless, people get more mercury from fish than
they do from vaccines.

JEff
From: Steven Bornfeld on
Mark Probert wrote:
> On May 1, 8:12 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> In article <ZZednbMOtJFkxEHWnZ2dnUVZ_tydn...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
>>> Jason wrote:
>>> <...>
>>>> You now know the reason that most people in America (including myself) do
>>>> NOT waste our time watching PBS shows.
>>> Many people choose not to be informed, too.
>>>> PBS has to rely mainly on the gov't
>>>> for funding.
>>> About 40 to 45% of their funding comes from federal and state sources.
>>>> They do collect donations but as far as I know--most of their
>>>> funding comes from the government. If it was not for gov't funding, PBS
>>>> would have gone out of business many years ago. Most all of their
>>>> producers and directors are very liberal.
>>> Prove that the news that they report has a liberal bias.
>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this case,
>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>>> Jeff
>> Jeff,
>> I do not expect liberals or socialists to even be aware when they watch a
>> news show on PBS or CNN that they are watching news shows that have a
>> liberal bias. Just about the only people that can recognize liberal bias
>> on a PBS or CNN news show are conservatives. Liberals are probably able to
>> notice bias when they watch a news show on the Fox news channel.
>> jason-
>
> This is not a liberal-conservative issue. Some very conservative right
> wingers just made major fools of themselves on this issue.
>


Maybe it's seen as a libertarian issue. In any case, I hate to see
politics injected into medical care--though it is all the time.

Steve
From: Jason on
In article
<0b3c12a7-8b8c-477f-ba80-f1163fc89380(a)i9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Mark
Probert <mark.probert(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 1, 8:12=A0pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <ZZednbMOtJFkxEHWnZ2dnUVZ_tydn...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu =
> wrote:
> > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > <...>
> >
> > > > You now know the reason that most people in America (including myself=
> ) do
> > > > NOT waste our time watching PBS shows.
> >
> > > Many people choose not to be informed, too.
> >
> > > > PBS has to rely mainly on the gov't
> > > > for funding.
> >
> > > About 40 to 45% of their funding comes from federal and state sources.
> >
> > > > They do collect donations but as far as I know--most of their
> > > > funding comes from the government. If it was not for gov't funding, P=
> BS
> > > > would have gone out of business many years ago. Most all of their
> > > > producers and directors are very liberal.
> >
> > > Prove that the news that they report has a liberal bias.
> >
> > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this case=
> ,
> > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > Jeff,
> > I do not expect liberals or socialists to even be aware when they watch a
> > news show on PBS or CNN that they are watching news shows that have a
> > liberal bias. Just about the only people that can recognize liberal bias
> > on a PBS or CNN news show are conservatives. Liberals are probably able t=
> o
> > notice bias when they watch a news show on the Fox news channel.
> > jason-
>
> This is not a liberal-conservative issue. Some very conservative right
> wingers just made major fools of themselves on this issue.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


From: Peter Bowditch on
"Peter B." <.@.> wrote:

>Chicken-pox is a blessing, and so is measles and polio compared to a
>severe vaccine injury

Just posted to Twitter as my Batshit Crazy Anti-vax Quote of the Day.

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