From: dr_jeff on 6 May 2010 06:28
Jan Drew wrote:
> Give it up not doc. I know far more that you do about Mercury.
< copyrighted material deleted>
You may have more time to gather information, but your understanding of
mercury if far less than mine. Or, as they say, a little bit of
knowledge is dangerous.
Dosage is everything. In the doses used in vaccines, thimerosal is safe.
From: dr_jeff on 6 May 2010 06:33
Jan Drew wrote:
> On May 5, 6:07�am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Jason wrote:
>>>>> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
>>>>> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
>>>>> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
>>>>> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? �Does smoking only
>>>>> cause lung cancer?
>>>> Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.
>>>>>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
>>>>>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
>>>>>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
>>>>>>> similar or in some cases identical.
>>>>>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
>>>>>> or vaccines.
>>>>> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
>>>>> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
>>>>> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
>>>>> metals causing damage to a childs brain.
>>>> Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
>>>> vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
>>>> support your conjecture.
>>> That's a good point. However, vaccines are NOT the only source of mercury
>>> poisoning. For example, fish also contains mercury. If ALL mercury was
>>> removed from vaccines, children would still develop autism if they ate
>>> fish that contained mercury.
>> Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism. It causes other types of brain
>>> However, it's the opinion of lots of experts
>>> that less children would develop autism since not all children eat fish
>>> that contain mercury and many children may NEVER be exposed to mercury.
>> No, it is not. Mercury doesn't cause autism.
>>> Almost everyone knows people that are lactose intolerant. There are some
>>> experts that believe that some children are mercury intolerant.
>> Really? What is "mercury intolerance"?
>>> In other
>>> words, they develop a reaction to mercury and that reaction could be
>> Which experts? Evidence please.
>>> I have read that there is a test that doctors can conduct to
>>> determine if a child has an allergic reaction to mercury.
> From Quack Barrett. Poor not doc.
> Here is the photo of the man behind the web site http://www.quack
> (http://www.quack/) quack.com/index.html. He often
> attacks various health products and practices by making false claims
> about them, as if those claims
> came FROM them, and then knocks down these straw men of his own
> One of the most ***evil*** people on the web is a former psychiatrist
> who lashes out against just
> about every possible alternative health product or practice. It is, in
> fact, a hall of fame. If you
> are mentioned in his pages you can assume you are doing a good job!
> He attacks chelation therapy, of course, but he selects a "straw man"
> to attack. In other words, the
> early explanation of how chelation therapy works is well proven to be
> false, even though many people
> are still repeating those lies. But, the more thoughtful intravenous
> doctors have discarded this
> early theory and gone on to the second theory, mentioned on another
> page (Click Here).
Theories can be tested. And they were. In the case of chelation therapy,
it was found that chelation therapy doesn't work for heart disease,
autism and other alternative uses.
What you seem to fail to understand is that alternative medicine is
really conjecture-based medicine (or con-med). Alternative medicine is
alternative, precisely because it has never been proven. You these
people are selling products and services that have no evidence that they
work, and in most cases, no scientific basis which they might work and
evidence that they don't work. In addition, many are potentially very
dangerous, like chelation therapy.
People who sell alternative therapies are often no better than crooks.
And in some cases, they are murderers.
From: dr_jeff on 6 May 2010 06:36
> In article <N7WdneWE4KV6v3_WnZ2dnUVZ_tyqnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, utz(a)msu.edu wrote:
>> Jason wrote:
>>> In article <sImdnUMDLvooaHzWnZ2dnUVZ_roAAAAA(a)giganews.com>,
> utz(a)msu.edu wrote:
>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
>>>> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
>>>> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
>>>> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>>>> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>>>>> You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
>>>>> you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>>>> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
>>>> of any company.
>>> Thanks for answering my questions. I don't have problems with mercury free
>>> vaccines that have been properly tested. The vaccine for swine flu was NOT
>>> properly tested so I did NOT get that vaccine. I do have a problem with
>>> any vaccine that contains mercury since mercury is poison and is a
>>> neurotoxin. When even small amount of a neurotoxin is injected into a
>>> child, it is like playing with fire. Children (esp. babies) do not have
>>> fully developed immune system. It's for that reason, neurotoxins--even in
>>> small doses--should not be given to children. At the very least, doctors
>>> or nurses should test children to determine if they have an allergic
>>> reaction to mercury.
>> Allergic reactions to mercury are extremely rare.
>>> If they do not have an allergic reaction to
>>> mercury--give them the vaccine. An even better option would be to remove
>>> thimerasol from all vaccines. Do you see my point?
>> I see your point, but, because allergic reactions to mercury are so
>> rare, and doctors are equipped to deal with them, they are a very small
> Lots of experts would disagree with you. I have read that they have
> removed mercury from all vaccines in Europe. They must have had good
> reasons for making that decision. Related to your other point, the reason
> children could develop autism from mercury could be because of an allergic
> reaction to mercury.
An allergic reaction to mercury would be caused by a specific type of
immune response, similar to the reaction I have to some types of pollen.
People who are allergic to peanuts get a similar type of allergic
reaction when they eat peanut butter.
> There may be other reasons. Have you done any
> research on a disease called hemochromatosis. Many researchers believe
> this disease develops because of genetics. It's also possible that
> children that develop autism have a genetic disorder that causes them to
> accumulate mercury in their bodies.
Evidence that this is actually occurring, please.
> That means that children that do not
> have this genetic problem would NOT accumulate mercury in their bodies and
> therefore not develop autism.
This is hypothetical, at best. It fails to explain why mercury poisoning
affects different parts of the brain than are affected in autism. It
also fails to explain why the genes that have been identified in autism
have nothing to do with handling mercury in the body.
From: Donna on 6 May 2010 08:13
On May 5, 10:24 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> On May 5, 12:08 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > On May 4, 8:47 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:f3991698-8459-487c-b3b9-db56def36f14(a)d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
> > > On May 3, 7:45 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> > > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:665d9777-4730-48d7-9ca8-f97c6a3a1bf7(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On May 2, 10:51 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> > > > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:dc8afd0a-9caf-43b9-a7bf-16682e4c64f3(a)r34g2000yqj.googlegroups..com...
> > > > > On May 1, 11:17 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On May 1, 2:56 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > case,
> > > > > > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> > > > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > > > > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby,
> > > > > > > WHY?
> > > > > > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
> > > > > > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
> > > > > MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> > > > > write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> > > > > babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS
> > > > > show
> > > > > the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> > > > > Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism. Its using FEAR to
> > > > > get
> > > > > young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> > > > > toxins
> > > > > > > Are they scared parents would rather their child have the damn
> > > > > > > measles
> > > > > > > than take a risk of having a dead or severely disabled child
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > injecting toxins into their baby?
> > > > > > > Interesting
> > > > > > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
> > > > > > > PBS show Religion and Ethics is funded by Eli Lilly makers of
> > > > > > > thimerosal
> > > > > > > Funding
> > > > > > > Funding for RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY is provided by Lilly
> > > > > > > Endowment Inc. with additional support from the Corporation for
> > > > > > > Public
> > > > > > > Broadcasting and Mutual of America Life Insurance Company.
> > > > > > > The Indianapolis-based Lilly Endowment Inc. was founded in 1937
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > three members of the Lilly family through gifts of stock in
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > pharmaceutical business, Eli Lilly and Company. The Endowment is
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > separate entity from the company, with a distinct governing
> > > > > > > board,
> > > > > > > staff and location, and is devoted to the causes of religion,
> > > > > > > education and community development.
> > > > > > Do you know the meaning of distinct?
> > > > > > I am on the board of an endowment, and we are totally independent
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > everything.
> > > > > And I own the Brooklyn Bridge!
> > > > > ============================================
> > > > > Then please repair it
> > > > Sure, thing, :o) But do you mind contributing to the "Repair the
> > > > Brooklyn Bridge Foundation"
> > > > ===============================================
> > > > I gave at the office. ;O)
> > > YOUR check bounced!
> > > ================================================
> > > Darn, I was wondering about that when I paid for my small jet boat.-
> > Oh, I see how you are, you SELFISH person!
> > =================================================
> > Yes, I have been guilty of that on more than one occasion.
> > In this case I got rid of that boat as I can only use it occasionally and
> > got a fast car, the downside is that it requires frequent tune-ups at 15
> > grand each. Guess the donation for the bridge will be on hold. :(-
> Are you teasing me? What kind of car requires 15k just for a tune-
> up? ;o)
> A Lambo, minor tune ups are 3-4 grand.-
So, what kind of car requires 15k for a minor tune-up? ;o)
From: Donna on 6 May 2010 08:15
On May 5, 9:12 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 5, 10:49 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >WHY was there an urgent rush to INJECT pregnant women with mercury via
> >> >the flu vaccine right after mercury was removed from childhood
> >> >vaccines? You know this is the most critical time to keep women away
> >> >from mercury as the fetus acts as a sponge soaking up heavy metals
> >> >from the mothers body, trapping it in its own.
> >> How much fish do pregnant women eat?
> >Thats a silly question, How am I to know how much fish anyone eats?
> >How much fish do you eat?
> This shows your ignorance.
> Fish contains mercury. This is why years ago in Germany scientist made estimates
> about how much fish OF WHAT OF WHAT TYPE a pregnat can eat.
Ahhhhhhhh, The Germans, They just adored people years ago, didnt they!
> Many people eat fish regularly. They have no idea about HOW MUCH mercury they
> ...................................................................http://twitter.com/aribertdeckershttp://twitter.com/kidmed_de http://twitter.com/kidmed_de http://twitter.com/aribertdeckers