From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 5, 6:45 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Donna wrote:
>>> On May 5, 6:07 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
>>>>>>> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
>>>>>>> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
>>>>>>> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? Does smoking only
>>>>>>> cause lung cancer?
>>>>>> Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.
>>>>>>>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
>>>>>>>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
>>>>>>>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
>>>>>>>>> similar or in some cases identical.
>>>>>>>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
>>>>>>>> or vaccines.
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
>>>>>>> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
>>>>>>> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
>>>>>>> metals causing damage to a childs brain.
>>>>>> Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
>>>>>> vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
>>>>>> support your conjecture.
>>>>> That's a good point. However, vaccines are NOT the only source of mercury
>>>>> poisoning. For example, fish also contains mercury. If ALL mercury was
>>>>> removed from vaccines, children would still develop autism if they ate
>>>>> fish that contained mercury.
>>>> Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism. It causes other types of brain
>>>> damage.
>>>>> However, it's the opinion of lots of experts
>>>>> that less children would develop autism since not all children eat fish
>>>>> that contain mercury and many children may NEVER be exposed to mercury.
>>>> No, it is not. Mercury doesn't cause autism.
>>>>> Almost everyone knows people that are lactose intolerant. There are some
>>>>> experts that believe that some children are mercury intolerant.
>>>> Really? What is "mercury intolerance"?
>>>>> In other
>>>>> words, they develop a reaction to mercury and that reaction could be
>>>>> autism.
>>>> Which experts? Evidence please.
>>>>> I have read that there is a test that doctors can conduct to
>>>>> determine if a child has an allergic reaction to mercury.
>>>> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/mercurytests....
>>>>> I don't know the
>>>>> reason why the children that have autism are not tested to determine if
>>>>> they have an allergic reaction to mercury.
>>>> Because the very rare allergic reactions to mercury are very rare and
>>>> are just like any other allergy (a particular type of immune response).
>>>> They don't cause autism.
>>>> Jeff-
>>> Jeff, that is NOT true, mercury is a NEUROTOXIN it doesnt matter who
>>> is exposed to mercury, its TOXIC to all human beings, But some are
>>> more sensitive to the toxicity of mercury than others.
>> That's irrelevant. An allergic reaction is a specific type of reaction
>> mediated by the immune system. It has absolutely nothing to do with the
>> other biological properties of a compound.
>>
>>
>>
>>> There is absolutely not one single study proving mercury doesnt cause
>>> Autism, There are NUMEROUS studies proving mercury causes seizures and
>>> brain damage.
>> Yet, there are many studies have looked at correlation of Thimerosal and
>> autism. No correlation has been seen.
>>
>> The biggest study was done when thimerasol was removed from vaccines.
>> Yet, no decrease in the incidence of autism was seen.
>
>
>
>
> BUT, there as soon as the mercury was removed from childhood vaccines,
> There was a huge campaign to inject pregnant women with mercury via
> the flu vaccine, Must get that mercury into those babies!

That's because the flu vaccine protects mothers and their babies against
influenza. It has nothing to do with getting mercury into babies.

>> You can't absolutely prove that something doesn't cause something else.
>> I can prove that the size of the huge hurricaine on Jupiter is causing
>> me to lose weight. However, there are far better explanations, like not
>> eating as much and getting more excercise. Likewise, I cannot prove that
>> autism is not caused by thimerasol. However, the issue has been
>> examined, and the data indicate that timerasol does not cause autism.
>
>
> The Data that was paid for by Pharmaceutical companies.

Wrong. The data were paid for by governments.

> No
>> mechanism is known how thimerasol could cause autism (being a neurotoxin
>> is not enough - the mechanism of how timerosal is toxic is well known,
>> yet, the damage done by thimerasol is not consistant with autism.
>
>
>
> But, we dont know for sure that thimerosal doesnt cause autism, We do
> know that it causes severe brain damage and even death

Not at the doses used. THere is a big difference between a safe dose
(like those that used to be used in vaccines) and a toxic dose. Even
water is deadly at high doses.

>> Different parts of the brain are damage, and over a different time
>> course. And, autism has a genetic basis.
>
>
>
> EVERY disease known to man has a genetic basis....

I doubt that's true. However, the genetic basis is stronger for some
diseases than others. For autism it is pretty strong.

> ) So, there's no evidence that
>> autism is caused by thimerosal and plenty of evidence that it isn't.
>
>
>
> I have NOT seen a single study proving thimerosal cant cause autism

You can't prove a negative. However, the evidence overwhlemingly points
to autism is not caused by vaccines, including what it is known about
the pathophysiology of autism and the toxicology of mercury.

>> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>>
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>
From: Happy Oyster on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmom10(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 5, 10:49´┐Żam, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...(a)ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT), Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >WHY was there an urgent rush to INJECT pregnant women with mercury via
>> >the flu vaccine right after mercury was removed from childhood
>> >vaccines? You know this is the most critical time to keep women away
>> >from mercury as the fetus acts as a sponge soaking up heavy metals
>> >from the mothers body, trapping it in its own.
>>
>> How much fish do pregnant women eat?
>
>
>Thats a silly question, How am I to know how much fish anyone eats?
>How much fish do you eat?

This shows your ignorance.

Fish contains mercury. This is why years ago in Germany scientist made estimates
about how much fish OF WHAT OF WHAT TYPE a pregnat can eat.

Many people eat fish regularly. They have no idea about HOW MUCH mercury they
ingest.

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From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 5, 3:09 pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 5, 3:07 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article <hvqdnfSt9Of83nzWnZ2dnUVZ_oydn...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
>>>>>>> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
>>>>>>> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
>>>>>>> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? Does smoking only
>>>>>>> cause lung cancer?
>>>>>> Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.
>>>>>>>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
>>>>>>>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However,
>>> millions
>>>>>>>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
>>>>>>>>> similar or in some cases identical.
>>>>>>>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
>>>>>>>> or vaccines.
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
>>>>>>> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
>>>>>>> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
>>>>>>> metals causing damage to a childs brain.
>>>>>> Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
>>>>>> vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
>>>>>> support your conjecture.
>>>>> That's a good point. However, vaccines are NOT the only source of mercury
>>>>> poisoning. For example, fish also contains mercury. If ALL mercury was
>>>>> removed from vaccines, children would still develop autism if they ate
>>>>> fish that contained mercury.
>>>> Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism. It causes other types of brain
>>>> damage.
>>>>> However, it's the opinion of lots of experts
>>>>> that less children would develop autism since not all children eat fish
>>>>> that contain mercury and many children may NEVER be exposed to mercury.
>>>> No, it is not. Mercury doesn't cause autism.
>>>>> Almost everyone knows people that are lactose intolerant. There are some
>>>>> experts that believe that some children are mercury intolerant.
>>>> Really? What is "mercury intolerance"?
>>>>> In other
>>>>> words, they develop a reaction to mercury and that reaction could be
>>>>> autism.
>>>> Which experts? Evidence please.
>>>>> I have read that there is a test that doctors can conduct to
>>>>> determine if a child has an allergic reaction to mercury.
>>>> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/mercurytests....
>>>>> I don't know the
>>>>> reason why the children that have autism are not tested to determine if
>>>>> they have an allergic reaction to mercury.
>>>> Because the very rare allergic reactions to mercury are very rare and
>>>> are just like any other allergy (a particular type of immune response).
>>>> They don't cause autism.
>>>> Jeff
>>> Jeff,
>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
>>> neurotoxin?
>> Because DOSE MAKES THE POISON. A minute amount is not toxic to the
>> human body.
>
>
>
> NO, it doesnt! Show me one study where it says this amount of mercury
> is needed to cause severe brain damage to a fetus, YOU will NEVER find
> such a study as the top scientist in the world dont have the answer to
> that question.

That's because you're asking a stupid question. The proper question is
at the doses that were used, is thimerosal dangerous? The answer is no.

> They have NO IDEA how much mercury or thimerosal it
> will take to cause harm a fetus or newborn baby. If you have a new
> study, Please post it, Id love to read it

The studies have been discussed here before.


<...>
From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 5, 6:48 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Jason wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
>>> neurotoxin?
>> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
>> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
>> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>
>
>
>
>
> But, there is proof that thimerosal is a neutoxin, it destroys DNA!

At concentrations much higher than that used in vaccines.

Jeff

>> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>>
>>> You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
>>> you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
>> of any company.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>> jason- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
From: Peter B. on
"Donna" <kevysmom10(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e820e23-4cad-4d3d-b51b-984100732a6b(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 12:08 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:011f1119-0c34-4524-99e5-8bddb73ac0f1(a)g21g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On May 4, 8:47 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:f3991698-8459-487c-b3b9-db56def36f14(a)d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 3, 7:45 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:665d9777-4730-48d7-9ca8-f97c6a3a1bf7(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > > On May 2, 10:51 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:dc8afd0a-9caf-43b9-a7bf-16682e4c64f3(a)r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On May 1, 11:17 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 1, 2:56 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > case,
> > > > > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>
> > > > > > > Jeff
>
> > > > > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > > > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby,
> > > > > > WHY?
>
> > > > > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>
> > > > > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>
> > > > MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> > > > write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> > > > babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS
> > > > show
> > > > the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> > > > Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism. Its using FEAR to
> > > > get
> > > > young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> > > > toxins
>
> > > > > > Are they scared parents would rather their child have the damn
> > > > > > measles
> > > > > > than take a risk of having a dead or severely disabled child
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > injecting toxins into their baby?
>
> > > > > > Interesting
>
> > > > > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
>
> > > > > > PBS show Religion and Ethics is funded by Eli Lilly makers of
> > > > > > thimerosal
>
> > > > > > Funding
> > > > > > Funding for RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY is provided by Lilly
> > > > > > Endowment Inc. with additional support from the Corporation for
> > > > > > Public
> > > > > > Broadcasting and Mutual of America Life Insurance Company.
> > > > > > The Indianapolis-based Lilly Endowment Inc. was founded in 1937
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > three members of the Lilly family through gifts of stock in
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > pharmaceutical business, Eli Lilly and Company. The Endowment is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > separate entity from the company, with a distinct governing
> > > > > > board,
> > > > > > staff and location, and is devoted to the causes of religion,
> > > > > > education and community development.
>
> > > > > Do you know the meaning of distinct?
>
> > > > > I am on the board of an endowment, and we are totally independent
> > > > > of
> > > > > everything.
>
> > > > And I own the Brooklyn Bridge!
> > > > ============================================
> > > > Then please repair it
>
> > > Sure, thing, :o) But do you mind contributing to the "Repair the
> > > Brooklyn Bridge Foundation"
> > > ===============================================
> > > I gave at the office. ;O)
>
> > YOUR check bounced!
> > ================================================
> > Darn, I was wondering about that when I paid for my small jet boat.-
>
> Oh, I see how you are, you SELFISH person!
> =================================================
> Yes, I have been guilty of that on more than one occasion.
> In this case I got rid of that boat as I can only use it occasionally and
> got a fast car, the downside is that it requires frequent tune-ups at 15
> grand each. Guess the donation for the bridge will be on hold. :(-


Are you teasing me? What kind of car requires 15k just for a tune-
up? ;o)
================================================
A Lambo, minor tune ups are 3-4 grand.


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