From: Donna on
On May 5, 6:45 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Donna wrote:
> > On May 5, 6:07 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> >> Jason wrote:
> >>>>> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
> >>>>> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
> >>>>> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
> >>>>> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly?  Does smoking only
> >>>>> cause lung cancer?
> >>>> Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.
> >>>>>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
> >>>>>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
> >>>>>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
> >>>>>>> similar or in some cases identical.
> >>>>>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
> >>>>>> or vaccines.
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
> >>>>> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
> >>>>> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
> >>>>> metals causing damage to a childs brain.
> >>>> Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
> >>>> vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
> >>>> support your conjecture.
> >>> That's a good point. However, vaccines are NOT the only source of mercury
> >>> poisoning. For example, fish also contains mercury. If ALL mercury was
> >>> removed from vaccines, children would still develop autism if they ate
> >>> fish that contained mercury.
> >> Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism. It causes other types of brain
> >> damage.
>
> >>> However, it's the opinion of lots of experts
> >>> that less children would develop autism since not all children eat fish
> >>> that contain mercury and many children may NEVER be exposed to mercury.
> >> No, it is not. Mercury doesn't cause autism.
>
> >>> Almost everyone knows people that are lactose intolerant. There are some
> >>> experts that believe that some children are mercury intolerant.
> >> Really? What is "mercury intolerance"?
>
> >>> In other
> >>> words, they develop a reaction to mercury and that reaction could be
> >>> autism.
> >> Which experts? Evidence please.
>
> >>> I have read that there is a test that doctors can conduct to
> >>> determine if a child has an allergic reaction to mercury.
> >>http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/mercurytests.....
>
> >>> I don't know the
> >>> reason why the children that have autism are not tested to determine if
> >>> they have an allergic reaction to mercury.
> >> Because the very rare allergic reactions to mercury are very rare and
> >> are just like any other allergy (a particular type of immune response)..
> >> They don't cause autism.
>
> >> Jeff-
>
> > Jeff, that is NOT true, mercury is a NEUROTOXIN it doesnt matter who
> > is exposed to mercury, its TOXIC to all human beings, But some are
> > more sensitive to the toxicity of mercury than others.
>
> That's irrelevant. An allergic reaction is a specific type of reaction
> mediated by the immune system. It has absolutely nothing to do with the
> other biological properties of a compound.
>
>
>
> > There is absolutely not one single study proving mercury doesnt cause
> > Autism, There are NUMEROUS studies proving mercury causes seizures and
> > brain damage.
>
> Yet, there are many studies have looked at correlation of Thimerosal and
> autism. No correlation has been seen.
>
> The biggest study was done when thimerasol was removed from vaccines.
> Yet, no decrease in the incidence of autism was seen.




BUT, there as soon as the mercury was removed from childhood vaccines,
There was a huge campaign to inject pregnant women with mercury via
the flu vaccine, Must get that mercury into those babies!


>
> You can't absolutely prove that something doesn't cause something else.
> I can prove that the size of the huge hurricaine on Jupiter is causing
> me to lose weight. However, there are far better explanations, like not
> eating as much and getting more excercise. Likewise, I cannot prove that
> autism is not caused by thimerasol. However, the issue has been
> examined, and the data indicate that timerasol does not cause autism.


The Data that was paid for by Pharmaceutical companies.

No
> mechanism is known how thimerasol could cause autism (being a neurotoxin
> is not enough - the mechanism of how timerosal is toxic is well known,
> yet, the damage done by thimerasol is not consistant with autism.



But, we dont know for sure that thimerosal doesnt cause autism, We do
know that it causes severe brain damage and even death


> Different parts of the brain are damage, and over a different time
> course. And, autism has a genetic basis.



EVERY disease known to man has a genetic basis....


) So, there's no evidence that
> autism is caused by thimerosal and plenty of evidence that it isn't.



I have NOT seen a single study proving thimerosal cant cause autism


>
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From: Donna on
On May 5, 6:48 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jason wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> > Jeff,
> > Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
> > neurotoxin?
>
> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.





But, there is proof that thimerosal is a neutoxin, it destroys DNA!



> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>
> > You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
> > you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>
> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
> of any company.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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From: Donna on
On May 5, 7:51 pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 8:53 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <sImdnUMDLvooaHzWnZ2dnUVZ_roAA...(a)giganews.com>, u...(a)msu.edu wrote:
> > > Jason wrote:
>
> > > <...>
>
> > > > Jeff,
> > > > Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
> > > > neurotoxin?
>
> > > No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
> > > I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
> > > no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
> > > And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest..
>
> > > > You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
> > > > you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>
> > > No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
> > > of any company.
>
> > > Jeff
>
> > Jeff,
> > Thanks for answering my questions. I don't have problems with mercury free
> > vaccines that have been properly tested. The vaccine for swine flu was NOT
> > properly tested so I did NOT get that vaccine.
>
> Sure it was. It was manufactured in exactly the same manner as all
> previous flu vaccines, and underwent testing.
>
> I do have a problem with
>
> > any vaccine that contains mercury since mercury is poison and is a
> > neurotoxin.
>
> However, dose is what is important, and the dose used is miniscule. It
> is not toxic at the dose used.
>
> When even small amount of a neurotoxin is injected into a
>
> > child, it is like playing with fire. Children (esp. babies) do not have
> > fully developed immune system.
>
> The immune system of babies is just fine. They are dealing with
> hundreds, if not thousands, of antigens each day.
>
> It's for that reason, neurotoxins--even in
>
> > small doses--should not be given to children. At the very least, doctors
> > or nurses should test children to determine if they have an allergic
> > reaction to mercury.
>
> Mercury allergy is extraordinarily rare.



I cant believe you just wrote that, Mercury is more toxic than LEAD,
or Aresnic


Just one drop seeped through a scientist glove caused death



Since a child can get all the
> vaccines without Thimerosal, this is a wasted step.
>
> If they do not have an allergic reaction to
>
> > mercury--give them the vaccine. An even better option would be to remove
> > thimerasol from all vaccines.
>
> That has been done.
>
> > Do you see my point?
>
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From: Mark Probert-Drew on
On May 5, 8:59 pm, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:


> But, we dont know for sure that thimerosal doesnt cause autism,

We will never know for sure. However, there is absolutely no credible
evidence it does.

We do
> know that it causes severe brain damage and even death

*We* know no such thing.

> > Different parts of the brain are damage, and over a different time
> > course. And, autism has a genetic basis.
>
> EVERY disease known to man has a genetic basis....

Malaria? Nope.

> ) So, there's no evidence that
>
> > autism is caused by thimerosal and plenty of evidence that it isn't.
>
> I have NOT seen a single study proving thimerosal cant cause autism

And you never will, because such a study is impossible to conduct.
From: dr_jeff on
Jason wrote:
> In article <sImdnUMDLvooaHzWnZ2dnUVZ_roAAAAA(a)giganews.com>, utz(a)msu.edu wrote:
>
>> Jason wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>> Why are you an advocate for a known poison that is also a known
>>> neurotoxin?
>> No, I am not. I am an advocate for vaccination, which save lives. While
>> I am glad that thimerasol has been removed from most vaccines, there is
>> no evidence that the chemical poses a risk at the very small doses used.
>> And, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism, as some suggest.
>>
>>> You remind me of the people that are advocates for tobacco. Do
>>> you work for a drug company that sells vaccines that contain mercury?
>> No, I work for no drug company. What I say is my own opinion, not those
>> of any company.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Jeff,
> Thanks for answering my questions. I don't have problems with mercury free
> vaccines that have been properly tested. The vaccine for swine flu was NOT
> properly tested so I did NOT get that vaccine. I do have a problem with
> any vaccine that contains mercury since mercury is poison and is a
> neurotoxin. When even small amount of a neurotoxin is injected into a
> child, it is like playing with fire. Children (esp. babies) do not have
> fully developed immune system. It's for that reason, neurotoxins--even in
> small doses--should not be given to children. At the very least, doctors
> or nurses should test children to determine if they have an allergic
> reaction to mercury.

Allergic reactions to mercury are extremely rare.

> If they do not have an allergic reaction to
> mercury--give them the vaccine. An even better option would be to remove
> thimerasol from all vaccines. Do you see my point?

I see your point, but, because allergic reactions to mercury are so
rare, and doctors are equipped to deal with them, they are a very small
concern.

Jeff
> jason
>
>
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