From: john on

"D. C. Sessions" <dcs(a)lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>
> What, you won't take the word of parents regarding the harm
> done to their children?
>


that has to be a classic pharm analogy, the satanic panic compared to
vaccine damage, do you dream these up while you rest at night in your crypt?


From: dr_jeff on
Jan Drew wrote:
> On May 3, 6:05�am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Jan Drew wrote:
>>> On May 2, 8:23 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Kevysmom wrote:
>>>>>> You now know the reason that most people in America (including myself) do
>>>>>> NOT waste our time watching PBS shows. PBS has to rely mainly on the gov't
>>>>>> for funding. They do collect donations but as far as I know--most of their
>>>>>> funding comes from the government. If it was not for gov't funding, PBS
>>>>>> would have gone out of business many years ago. Most all of their
>>>>>> producers and directors are very liberal
>>>>> Major funding for PBS is from tax payers donating moent to the
>>>>> government by force, Then the government forces parents to vaccinate
>>>>> their babies,
>>>> No one forces anyone to be vaccinated.
>>> A blatant lie.
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WaterCooler/story?id=3880578&page=1
>> �From the story: "Hundreds of parents and their children descended on a
>> suburban Maryland courtroom today to protest a judge's order requiring
>> all children to be vaccinated in order to attend classes."
>>
>> The parents have the option of a religious exemption. In addition, they
>> have the option of homeschooling.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Rather difficult when both parents have to work.

Really? How difficult is it to get a religious exemption? As far as home
schooling is concerned, that's their problem.

Jeff

> Now, the truth:
>
> Md. Officials: Vaccinate Your Kids or Face Jail
> Hundreds of parents and their children descended on a suburban
> Maryland courtroom today to protest a judge's order requiring all
> children to be vaccinated in order to attend classes.
>
> The protest culminates much-heated debate in Prince George's County,
> Md., about school immunizations.
>
> Frustrated and fed-up county officials sent a letter to delinquent
> parents and ordered them to show up with their children in court today
> so standby nurses can vaccinate children. If parents refuse, the
> consequences are serious.
>
> "Our goal is to get kids in school, not to put parents in jail," said
> Prince George's County state's attorney Glenn Ivey. "But if parents
> continue to be recalcitrant, they face up to 10 days in jail and a $50
> a day fine."
>
> Under Maryland state law, students who have religious reasons or a
> certified medical exemption will not be forced to be vaccinated, said
> Judge Phillip Nichols, who is overseeing the case, on "Good Morning
> America Weekend Edition" today.
>
> Related
> Arrest Parents Who Don't Vaccinate Kids?
> School officials reached out to the judicial branch after they said
> too many students failed to get the required vaccinations to stay in
> school. District officials have tried everything from sending notices
> to parents to offering free-shot clinics in order to get the children
> immunized.
>
> Nichols said he believes lack of knowledge is not the reason why they
> children have not received their shots.
>
> "I think everybody does know about it. The problem is just getting it
> done," Nichols said.
>
> The situation became so serious that at one point more than 2,300
> students were barred from attending class because they didn't have the
> proper immunizations. The number has dwindled down to about 1,000, and
> shots for hepatitis B and chicken pox are the shots children lack the
> most. Those immunizations were added to the state's required list last
> year.
>
> Some children already have been out of the classroom for a month and
> the fight is affecting students as young as kindergarteners. But it's
> mostly affected middle and high school pupils.
>
>
> "This has really, really been a very difficult time for us," said
> Betty Despenza Green, Prince George's County chief of student
> services. "I think some of the students have found themselves in a
> predicament where they are just not able to get it done, or they
> believe that perhaps we will relinquish on it and some how it will go
> away."
>
> One infectious disease expert defended the district's actions.
>
> "They're grabbing the parents by the collars and saying, 'You must
> vaccinate your children,'" said Dr. William Schaffner of the
> Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.
>
> The district already has begun to see results since becoming stricter
> about the inoculations.
>
> "Since the school board has came to us and asked us to help, half the
> children have come back [because they have gotten their vaccines],"
> Nichols said.
>
> "This is your last chance before we really get tough," Nichols said.
> "You have to have these inoculations to go to school. We're serious."
>
> Many parents seem firmly behind the get-tough policy.
>
> "The kids need to have their shots," said Clint Carter, the parent of
> a high school sophomore. "Parents have known. They sent letters home,
> everybody knows. It's on the news. Get your child shots."
>
> But other parents, even some whose kids are vaccinated, believe the
> measures are too extreme.
>
> "What good are you going do if you lock up the parents?" asked Dierdre
> Young, who is the mother of a high school freshman and junior. "Then
> the parents can't feed them. They still can't come to school. They
> still don't have their shots. So what have you solved?"
>
>
>
From: dr_jeff on
Jan Drew wrote:
> On May 3, 6:09� pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Jan Drew wrote:
>>> On May 2, 10:56 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Jason wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>>>>> Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this =
>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>> WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
>>>>>>>>> fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
>>>>>>>> Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>>>>>>>> Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>>>>>>> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
>>>>>>> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
>>>>>>> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
>>>>>>> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
>>>>>> I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
>>>>>> vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
>>>>>> year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
>>>>>> brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
>>>>>> inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
>>>>>>> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
>>>>>> There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
>>>>>> have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
>>>>>> valid side.
>>>>>> Its using FEAR to get
>>>>>>> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
>>>>>>> toxins
>>>>>> You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
>>>>>> fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
>>>>> The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines. Have you ever
>>>>> seen any children that had autism? Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
>>>>> that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
>>>>> shots that contain mercury.
>>>> Vaccines don't have mercury.
>>> Yes, they do. � Why do you keep lying?
>> Which ones do?
>
>
> Not doc, can you not read?

They're all zero or trace except for influenza and ones given to kids
older than 2.

Jeff
>>
>>
> http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm
>
> Thimerosal Content in Some US Licensed Vaccines
> February 23, 2010
> PDF of Table (25 KB)
>
> Vaccine
> Brand Name
>
> (click on the brand name for package insert)
> Manufacturer
> Thimerosal Concentration1
> Mercury
> mcg/0.5 ml
>
> Anthrax
> BioThrax
> BioPort Corporation
> 0
> 0
>
> DTaP
> Tripedia sanofi pasteur * *
> Infanrix
> GlaxoSmithKline
> 0
> 0
>
> DAPTACEL sanofi pasteur 0
> 0
>
> DTaP-HepB-IPV Pediarix GlaxoSmithKline 0 0
> DTaP-IPV-Hib Pentacel sanofi pasteur 0 0
> DTaP-Hib TriHIBit sanofi pasteur * *
> DTwP
> All Products
>
> .01%
> 25
>
> DT
> Diphtheria & Tetanus Toxoids Adsorbed USP
> multi-dose sanofi pasteur
> .01%
> 25
>
> single dose *
> *
> Td
> DECAVAC sanofi pasteur *
> *
> Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Adsorbed
> sanofi pasteur
> *
> *
>
> Tdap
> ADACEL sanofi pasteur 0 0
> Boostrix
> GlaxoSmithKline
> 0
> 0
>
> Tetanus Toxoid
> Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed USP
> sanofi pasteur
> .01%
> 25
>
> Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed Adult Use .01% 25
> Booster .01% 25
> Hib
> ActHIB
> sanofi pasteur
> 0
> 0
>
> Hiberix GlaxoSmithKline 0 0
> HibTITER Wyeth-Ayerst 0 0
> PedvaxHIB liquid(2) Merck 0 0
> Hib/HepB Comvax (3) Merck 0 0
> Hepatitis A
> Havrix
> GlaxoSmithKline
> 0
> 0
>
> Vaqta adult/pediatric Merck 0 0
> Hepatitis B
> Engerix-B preservative free
> GlaxoSmithKline
> 0
> 0
>
> Recombivax HB preservative free Merck 0 0
> Hep A-B
> Twinrix
> GlaxoSmithKline
> 0
> 0
>
> HPV
>
>
> Cervarix
> GlaxoSmithKline
> 0 0
> Gardasil
> Merck
> 0 0
> Influenza 2009/10 Formula Afluria multi-dose CSL Limited .01% 24.5
> single dose 0 0
> Agriflu Novartis 0 0
> Fluarix GlaxoSmithKline ≤1
> FluLaval GlaxoSmithKline .01% 25
> FluMist MedImmune 0 0
> Fluvirin Novartis .01% 24.5
> Fluzone 5 mL vial sanofi pasteur .01% 25
> No Preservative 0 0
> Influenza A - H1N1 2009
>
>
>
>
> Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
> multi-dose CSL Limited
> .01%
> 24.5
>
> single dose 0
> 0
>
> Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
> multi-dose Novartis
> .01%
> 25
>
> single dose
> ≤1
>
> Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine
> multi-dose sanofi pasteur
> .01%
> 25
>
> single dose (.25 & .5 mL) 0
> 0
>
> Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine multi-dose GlaxoSmithKline .
> 01%
> 25
>
> Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal MedImmune
> 0 0
> IPV
> IPOL
> sanofi pasteur
> 0
> 0
>
> Japanese Encephalitis Ixiaro commercial | military
> Intercell Biomedical 0
> 0
>
> JE-Vax sanofi pasteur 0.007%
> Meningococcal
> Menactra sanofi pasteur 0
> 0
>
> MENOMUNE-A/C/Y/W-135
> multi-dose sanofi pasteur
> .01%
> 25
>
> single dose 0
> 0
>
> Menveo Novartis 0
> 0
>
> MMR
> M-M-R II
> Merck
> 0
> 0
>
> MMR-Varicella ProQuad Merck 0 0
> Polio IPOL sanofi pasteur 0 0
> Pneumococcal
> Prevnar
> Wyeth-Ayerst
> 0
> 0
>
> Pneumovax 23 Merck 0 0
> Rabies
>
> RabAvert Chiron 0 0
> IMOVAX
> sanofi pasteur 0 0
> Rotavirus
> RotaTeq Merck 0 0
> Typhoid Fever Typhim Vi
> sanofi pasteur
> 0
> 0
>
> Vivotif Berna Biotch 0 0
> Varicella Zoster
>
>
> Varivax
> Merck
> 0
> 0
>
> Zostavax
> Merck
> 0
> 0
>
> Yellow Fever
> YF-VAX
> sanofi pasteur
> 0
> 0
>
>
From: dr_jeff on
Jason wrote:
>>> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
>>> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
>>> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
>>> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? Does smoking only
>>> cause lung cancer?
>> Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.
>>
>>>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
>>>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
>>>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
>>>>> similar or in some cases identical.
>>>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
>>>> or vaccines.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
>>> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
>>> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
>>> metals causing damage to a childs brain.
>> Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
>> vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
>> support your conjecture.
>
>
> That's a good point. However, vaccines are NOT the only source of mercury
> poisoning. For example, fish also contains mercury. If ALL mercury was
> removed from vaccines, children would still develop autism if they ate
> fish that contained mercury.

Actually, mercury doesn't cause autism. It causes other types of brain
damage.

> However, it's the opinion of lots of experts
> that less children would develop autism since not all children eat fish
> that contain mercury and many children may NEVER be exposed to mercury.

No, it is not. Mercury doesn't cause autism.

> Almost everyone knows people that are lactose intolerant. There are some
> experts that believe that some children are mercury intolerant.

Really? What is "mercury intolerance"?

> In other
> words, they develop a reaction to mercury and that reaction could be
> autism.

Which experts? Evidence please.

> I have read that there is a test that doctors can conduct to
> determine if a child has an allergic reaction to mercury.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/mercurytests.html

> I don't know the
> reason why the children that have autism are not tested to determine if
> they have an allergic reaction to mercury.

Because the very rare allergic reactions to mercury are very rare and
are just like any other allergy (a particular type of immune response).
They don't cause autism.

Jeff
From: Donna on
On May 4, 8:47 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f3991698-8459-487c-b3b9-db56def36f14(a)d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 3, 7:45 pm, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:665d9777-4730-48d7-9ca8-f97c6a3a1bf7(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com....
> > On May 2, 10:51 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>
> > > "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:dc8afd0a-9caf-43b9-a7bf-16682e4c64f3(a)r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com....
> > > On May 1, 11:17 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 1, 2:56 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this
> > > > > > case,
> > > > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>
> > > > > > Jeff
>
> > > > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
>
> > > > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>
> > > > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>
> > > MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> > > write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> > > babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> > > the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> > > Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism. Its using FEAR to get
> > > young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> > > toxins
>
> > > > > Are they scared parents would rather their child have the damn
> > > > > measles
> > > > > than take a risk of having a dead or severely disabled child from
> > > > > injecting toxins into their baby?
>
> > > > > Interesting
>
> > > > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
>
> > > > > PBS show Religion and Ethics is funded by Eli Lilly makers of
> > > > > thimerosal
>
> > > > > Funding
> > > > > Funding for RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY is provided by Lilly
> > > > > Endowment Inc. with additional support from the Corporation for
> > > > > Public
> > > > > Broadcasting and Mutual of America Life Insurance Company.
> > > > > The Indianapolis-based Lilly Endowment Inc. was founded in 1937 by
> > > > > three members of the Lilly family through gifts of stock in their
> > > > > pharmaceutical business, Eli Lilly and Company. The Endowment is a
> > > > > separate entity from the company, with a distinct governing board,
> > > > > staff and location, and is devoted to the causes of religion,
> > > > > education and community development.
>
> > > > Do you know the meaning of distinct?
>
> > > > I am on the board of an endowment, and we are totally independent of
> > > > everything.
>
> > > And I own the Brooklyn Bridge!
> > > ============================================
> > > Then please repair it
>
> > Sure, thing, :o) But do you mind contributing to the "Repair the
> > Brooklyn Bridge Foundation"
> > ===============================================
> > I gave at the office. ;O)
>
> YOUR check bounced!
> ================================================
> Darn, I was wondering about that when I paid for my small jet boat.-



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