From: Donna on
On May 2, 10:56 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jason wrote:
> > In article
> > <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this =
> >> case,
> >>>>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>> WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> >>>>> fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
> >>>> Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
> >>>> Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
> >>> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> >>> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> >>> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> >>> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> >> I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
> >> vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
> >> year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
> >> brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
> >> inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
>
> >>> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
> >> There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
> >> have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
> >> valid side.
>
> >> Its using FEAR to get
> >>> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> >>> toxins
> >> You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
> >> fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
>
> > The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines. Have you ever
> > seen any children that had autism? Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
> > that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
> > shots that contain mercury.
>
> Vaccines don't have mercury.




False!!


>
> > As you probably know, mercury is a known
> > poison. There are known effects of mercury poisoning. I once saw a list of
> > the known effects of mercury poisoning and compared it with a list of the
> > symptoms of children that have autism and many of the things on both lists
> > were similar.
>
> Only superficially. When you look more closely at the symptoms of the
> two, they are not that similar. Autism causes specific changes in the
> brain. Mercury causes *different* changes in the brain.




This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? Does smoking only
cause lung cancer?





>
> > If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
> > was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
> > of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
> > similar or in some cases identical.
>
> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
> or vaccines.
>
> Jeff



I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
metals causing damage to a childs brain.



>
>
>
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>
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From: Peter B. on
"Donna" <kevysmom10(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:665d9777-4730-48d7-9ca8-f97c6a3a1bf7(a)o11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 10:51 am, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
> "Donna" <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dc8afd0a-9caf-43b9-a7bf-16682e4c64f3(a)r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 11:17 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 1, 2:56 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this
> > > > case,
> > > > be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>
> > > > Jeff
>
> > > WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> > > fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
>
> > Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>
> > Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>
> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism. Its using FEAR to get
> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> toxins
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Are they scared parents would rather their child have the damn measles
> > > than take a risk of having a dead or severely disabled child from
> > > injecting toxins into their baby?
>
> > > Interesting
>
> > >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/
>
> > > PBS show Religion and Ethics is funded by Eli Lilly makers of
> > > thimerosal
>
> > > Funding
> > > Funding for RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY is provided by Lilly
> > > Endowment Inc. with additional support from the Corporation for Public
> > > Broadcasting and Mutual of America Life Insurance Company.
> > > The Indianapolis-based Lilly Endowment Inc. was founded in 1937 by
> > > three members of the Lilly family through gifts of stock in their
> > > pharmaceutical business, Eli Lilly and Company. The Endowment is a
> > > separate entity from the company, with a distinct governing board,
> > > staff and location, and is devoted to the causes of religion,
> > > education and community development.
>
> > Do you know the meaning of distinct?
>
> > I am on the board of an endowment, and we are totally independent of
> > everything.
>
> And I own the Brooklyn Bridge!
> ============================================
> Then please repair it



Sure, thing, :o) But do you mind contributing to the "Repair the
Brooklyn Bridge Foundation"
===============================================
I gave at the office. ;O)


From: dr_jeff on
Donna wrote:
> On May 2, 10:56 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Jason wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
>>> Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this =
>>>> case,
>>>>>>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
>>>>>>> fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
>>>>>> Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
>>>>>> Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
>>>>> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
>>>>> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
>>>>> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
>>>>> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
>>>> I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
>>>> vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
>>>> year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
>>>> brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
>>>> inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
>>>>> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
>>>> There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
>>>> have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
>>>> valid side.
>>>> Its using FEAR to get
>>>>> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
>>>>> toxins
>>>> You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
>>>> fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
>>> The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines. Have you ever
>>> seen any children that had autism? Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
>>> that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
>>> shots that contain mercury.
>> Vaccines don't have mercury.
>
>
>
>
> False!!
>
>
>>> As you probably know, mercury is a known
>>> poison. There are known effects of mercury poisoning. I once saw a list of
>>> the known effects of mercury poisoning and compared it with a list of the
>>> symptoms of children that have autism and many of the things on both lists
>>> were similar.
>> Only superficially. When you look more closely at the symptoms of the
>> two, they are not that similar. Autism causes specific changes in the
>> brain. Mercury causes *different* changes in the brain.
>
>
>
>
> This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
> macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
> have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
> studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? Does smoking only
> cause lung cancer?

Below, you say you did lots of research. You tell us.

>>> If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
>>> was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However, millions
>>> of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
>>> similar or in some cases identical.
>> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
>> or vaccines.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
>
> I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
> research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
> But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
> metals causing damage to a childs brain.

Your research isn't very good then. After mercury was removed from
vaccines, autism rates didn't go down. Nor do epidemiological studies
support your conjecture.

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>
From: Peter B. on
"Donna" <kevysmom10(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9508d71e-79ea-444a-886b-a11e98b4e058(a)n15g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On May 2, 10:56 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Jason wrote:
> > In article
> > <5d3aede3-1dd6-4d2e-8147-3d6abd17a...(a)o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Mark
> > Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On May 2, 8:41=A0am, Donna <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 11:17=A0pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On May 1, 2:56=A0pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> And wouldn't supporting vaccines and the drug industry, as in this
> >>>>>> =
> >> case,
> >>>>>> be supporting a conservative bias, not a liberal one?
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>> WHY didnt PBS show films of vaccine injured babies in the PICU
> >>>>> fighting for life? They didnt show one vaccine injured baby, WHY?
> >>>> Good question....hmmm./.I KNOW!
> >>>> Vaccine injured babies do not exist.
> >>> MARK!!!!!!!! That is the lamest and cruelest thing Ive ever seen you
> >>> write. Yes, its cruel you knowing very well that vaccines do injury
> >>> babies and actually cause death in babies, so AGAIN why didnt PBS show
> >>> the infants in PICU suffering, yet they showed a baby with measles?
> >> I would have preferred an hour long show of the consequences of not
> >> vaccinating. A nice tour of an iron lung ward, rehab centers where 15
> >> year old children babble because of meningitis destroying their
> >> brains, children wearing hearing aids, blue babies trying to breath
> >> inspite of their diptheria, and things like that.
>
> >>> Thats not being fair and balanced in journalism.
> >> There are issues that are subject to fair and balanced. Those subjects
> >> have two valid sides. In the issue of vaccination, there is only one
> >> valid side.
>
> >> Its using FEAR to get
> >>> young parents to keep BLINDLY vaccinating their newborn babies with
> >>> toxins
> >> You whine about fear? Both sides use fear. The difference is that the
> >> fear of these diseases is valid. The "fear" of vaccines is bullshit.
>
> > The reality is that millions of people do fear vaccines. Have you ever
> > seen any children that had autism? Believe it or not, most parents FEAR
> > that their children will develop autism if their children get dozens of
> > shots that contain mercury.
>
> Vaccines don't have mercury.




False!!


>
> > As you probably know, mercury is a known
> > poison. There are known effects of mercury poisoning. I once saw a list
> > of
> > the known effects of mercury poisoning and compared it with a list of
> > the
> > symptoms of children that have autism and many of the things on both
> > lists
> > were similar.
>
> Only superficially. When you look more closely at the symptoms of the
> two, they are not that similar. Autism causes specific changes in the
> brain. Mercury causes *different* changes in the brain.




This is true, known cases of mercury poisoning cause microcephaly not
macrocephaly, BUT, how do we know its not possible that mercury can
have this effect on a babies brain development? Do you have scientific
studies proving mercury doesnt cause macrocephaly? Does smoking only
cause lung cancer?
==================================================
That argument is as facitious as the argument for global warming.

What ifs can be applied everywhere, only idiots act on it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------




>
> > If you seen that evidence, you would probably say that it
> > was just a coincidence that the two lists were similar. However,
> > millions
> > of people now believe that it is not a coincidence that the lists are
> > similar or in some cases identical.
>
> Believe is the key word. Fact is that autism is *not* caused by mercury
> or vaccines.
>
> Jeff



I think Autism is caused by mercury, from observation and from tons of
research. Sure, its not as severe as congenital mercury poisoning,
But, I feel children with Autism are the way they are because of heavy
metals causing damage to a childs brain.



>
>
>
> > jason- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


From: Mark Probert on
On May 3, 3:53 pm, Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...(a)dentaltwins.com>
wrote:
> Mark Probert-Drew wrote:
>
> > Health, science, etc. is not political. They are fact driven.
>
> > It was under the Coward-In-Chief, GWB, that science was politicized.
>
>         Wow, here I thought it was Galileo's fault! ;-)

Of course GG had a problem. However, the politicization of science was
as hallmark of GWB.

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