From: Jan Drew on 17 Mar 2010 22:01
On Mar 17, 4:09ï¿½pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2:44ï¿½pm, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> > ï¿½http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/copenhagen-police-investigating-au...Police Investigating Autism Vaccine Researcher Dr. Poul Thorsenfor Fraud
Markey Child there is a space between
Thorsen and for.
<snip diversion and obsession of Mark S Probert.)
From: Mark Probert-Drew on 17 Mar 2010 22:12
On Mar 17, 10:01 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Mar 17, 4:09 pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 2:44 pm, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/copenhagen-police-investigating-au....Investigating Autism Vaccine Researcher Dr. Poul Thorsenfor Fraud
> Markey Child there is a space between
> Thorsen and for.
There was one in my post. I just looked.
> <snip diversion and obsession of Mark S Probert.)
No, Cousin Jan, it is not a diversion. It directly addresses the smoke
screen of you anti-vax liars, and the scum at AoA.
"In both of the Danish papers in question (why am I reminded of
Hamlet?), Dr. Thorsen was a sandwich author. Why is this important?
The pattern followed in biology and medicine is that the first
(lead) author is the person who did the bulk of the work, the last
(anchor) author is the person who owns the lab or is the senior
author and the rest (the sandwich authors) either did some work
(e.g. lab techs, assistants, undergraduates, graduate students
on a secondary project, etc.) provided some special service or
expertise (e.g. statistical analysis, specialised analytical testing,
special techniques, etc.) or needed to be acknowledged by more than
mentioning their name under acknowledgements.
Some labs have are very stingy about who they add as authors,
will list as authors anyone who touched the project in any way.
Generally, if any or all of the sandwich authors contributed as
as the lead author (or anchor author), there will be mention of that
somewhere in the paper, usually right below the author list.
It also needs to be emphasised that Dr. Thorsens offense may (and
probably is) no more than not giving Aarhus University their cut of
his grant money. Universities traditionally get a portion of all
money that comes to researchers from outside the university, either
a separate payment from the granting agency or as a tithe (usually
more like 50%) from the grant. This is called overhead.
I suspect that the $2 million is money that Aarhus University thinks
they should have gotten as overhead while Dr. Thorsen was working
elsewhere. The other likely possibility is that Aarhus University
feels grants Dr. Thorsen received while on their faculty should have
been spent in their facilities, rather than paying for salaries and
supplies somewhere else.
At any rate, the least likely possibility is that Dr. Thorsen
embezzled any money, since he had no direct access to the money.
Grants dont arrive as boxes of cash they are paid to the
or research center which then has their financial department disburse
the funds as purchase orders (which are scrutinised by the financial
department to ensure that they conform to the terms of the grant) or
as salaries (which are scrutinised by both the financial and
This is a tempest in a teapot raised by those people who had hitched
their wagons to Andy Wakefields star and are distressed by how far
and fast that star has fallen. They hope to regain some sparkle by
tarnishing the research that has refuted their claims.
Unfortunately, even if all the research touched by Dr. Thorsen were
magically disappear, there would still be more than enough to refute
the claim that vaccines with or without thimerosal cause autism."