From: bae on
In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>Blinky Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> john wrote:
>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive
>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive health
>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower increase in
>>>>> human population.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>
>>> Where did he say that?
>>>
>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>
>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
>> vaccines.
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>
>I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
>care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>infectious diseases.

"Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

From: Mark Probert on


> Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of
> health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."

I have seen this "quote" before and I spent some time looking for
something that independently verifies that he actually said it and the
context it was taken from.

So far, I cannot find anything.

Anyone have any direct proof that it was said, and in what context?

From: Blinky Bill on


<bae(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>> john wrote:
>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive
>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive health
>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower increase in
>>>>>> human population.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>>
>>>> Where did he say that?
>>>>
>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>>
>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
>>> vaccines.
>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>>
>>I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
>>care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>>infectious diseases.
>
> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
> adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.

Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several years is
likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than methods which rely
on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.


From: dr_jeff on
Blinky Bill wrote:
>
>
> <bae(a)cs.toronto.no-uce.edu> wrote in message
> news:2010Feb28.211740.14436(a)jarvis.cs.toronto.edu...
>> In article <iK2dnZfGJ_rVhhbWnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>,
>> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>>> Blinky Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:hpSdnVuXI-VzZhfWnZ2dnUVZ_r9i4p2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:mJednTVIrIRQaxfWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>> john wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.whale.to/b/bill_gates1.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive
>>>>>>>> health services, we could lower that [his initial 2050 global
>>>>>>>> population projection of 9-billion] by perhaps about 10 to 15
>>>>>>>> percent." ---Bill Gates
>>>>>>> With better health care, including vaccines and reproductive health
>>>>>>> services, people have fewer children, leading to a lower increase in
>>>>>>> human population.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he didn't say that, but nice attempt at spin
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did he say that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please show I am wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Gates may have been referring to hCG vaccine or other anti-pregnancy
>>>> vaccines.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44640/?log%24=activity
>>>
>>> I don't think so. Bill Gate's foundation has paid for a lot of health
>>> care in developing nations as well as vaccine development against
>>> infectious diseases.
>>
>> "Reproductive health services" means access to birth control. Like
>> women in developed countries, women in underdeveloped countries would
>> prefer not to have more children than they can raise to healthy
>> adulthood. That option is not open to most of them now.
>
> Exactly. And a contraceptive vaccine that is effective for several years
> is likely to be more successful (and probably cheaper) than methods
> which rely on remembering to take pills on a daily basis.

Where there is better health (in part from vaccines and improved access
to health care), kids are more likely to make it to adulthood, so adults
don't need to have as many kids to ensure that some of their kids will
make it to adulthood.

Reproductive health care means more than birth control. It includes
obstetrics, education and HPV and other STD treatment and prevention.
Plus, it is not just for females.

From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 28, 9:30 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of
> > health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."
>
> I have seen this "quote" before and I spent some time looking for
> something that independently verifies that he actually said it and the
> context it was taken from.
>
> So far, I cannot find anything.
>
> Anyone have any direct proof that it was said, and in what context?

BTW, I suggest reading:

http://www.nap.edu/readingroom.php?book=biomems&page=jshannon.html

After reading this, can anyone intelligent person believe that he said
what this bullcrap article says?

I would have emailed him but, he is dead.

This reminds me of how Peter Bowditch conclusively debunked the quote
attributed to Pasteur.