From: Lucy-lu on
"Jamie Clark" <jamielee6(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> There are chemicals everywhere. Even natural or organic products have
> chemicals in them. Johnson & Johnson has been making and selling baby
> lotion for a long long long time. Generations of families have used it.
> I would think that if it wasn't safe, that it would have been noticed by
> now.
>
> She asked a question, and I gave her MY answer. Yes, I think she is being
> paranoid.
> --
>

I'm not really entering the debate as such, but talc is still for sale. One
of my midwives that came on the home visit told me I shouldn't use it as it
was linked with respiritatory probs such as asthma (from the particles
flying about and cervical cancer (paticles "going up"). It wasn't the reason
I stopped using it, but it did make me wonder what else was on sale that
could be deemed as hazardous to babies.

Lucy


From: Linda on

<robgood(a)bestweb.net> wrote in message
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> On Nov 15, 8:08 am, "Linda" <r...(a)email.com> wrote:
>
>> apparantly Johnsons No More Tears Baby Shampoo doesn't
>> "not hurt" eyes, it just anesthetizes the eyes so they don't feel the
>> sting
>> of the soap that is still going straight over their eyes.
>
> It doesn't anesthetize them. If you touch your cornea at the same
> time, you'll still feel it. There ARE nonionic surfactants with
> detergent properties that DO anesthetize mucous membranes such as the
> cornea, but those aren't in baby shampoos. (They're in spermicide and
> various detergent products.) The nonionic surfactants in baby
> shampoos do, however, counteract the sting of the other ingredients
> without actually numbing the eyes as they would be from an opthalmic
> exam with anesthetic.
>
>> That wasn't good
>> enough for me so I went and found a different product which is just
>> gentle
>> and doesn't sting to begin with.
>
> What product is that, and what are its ingredients?
>
> Robert

Hi Robert - I'm sorry I should never have said it as a definite statement as
I don't know all the innante details. What I should have said is that there
is enough controversary around it, and that because it's easy to find other
solutions I wouldn't risk it.
I use Gaia Natural Baby, I'll check the ingredients for you if you're
interested and let you know (I can't right now)


From: Akuvikate on
On Nov 16, 1:52 pm, "Lucy-lu" <luc...(a)lu.com> wrote:
> "Jamie Clark" <jamiel...(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:m-adnYjp7s5VZaDanZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)comcast.com...
>
> > There are chemicals everywhere. Even natural or organic products have
> > chemicals in them. Johnson & Johnson has been making and selling baby
> > lotion for a long long long time. Generations of families have used it.
> > I would think that if it wasn't safe, that it would have been noticed by
> > now.
>
> > She asked a question, and I gave her MY answer. Yes, I think she is being
> > paranoid.
> > --
>
> I'm not really entering the debate as such, but talc is still for sale. One
> of my midwives that came on the home visit told me I shouldn't use it as it
> was linked with respiritatory probs such as asthma (from the particles
> flying about and cervical cancer (paticles "going up"). It wasn't the reason
> I stopped using it, but it did make me wonder what else was on sale that
> could be deemed as hazardous to babies.
>
> Lucy

And witness all the cold medicines for infants being recalled after
decades of use because they had never been studied in babies or
children in the first place. Probably some of the medications will
eventually end up back on the shelves once some good data comes out,
but some won't.

As for the original question, yes, I think you're being paranoid. But
even from a traditional western medicine dermatology perspective, a
lot of Johnson's products aren't the most baby-friendly out there.
Most pediatricians and pediatric dermatologists recommend the
fragrance-free, sensitive skin versions of grownup skincare products
for babies. Dove fragrance free sensitive skin bar for soap, a nice
bland fragrance free moisturizer (vaseline, aquaphor, eucerin, aveeno,
lubriderm), and any brand of fragrance-free laundry detergent. And
you don't pay premium "baby" prices for them. One dermatologist I
worked with recommended using Crisco (if it goes from their hands into
their mouths, no biggie!). I'm skeptical of some of the "natural"
lines of baby products as they have lots of different and sometimes
potentially irritating ingredients in them.

Kate, ignorant foot soldier of the medical cartel
and the Bug, 4 years old
and something brewing, 4/08
From: robgood on
On Nov 16, 11:38 pm, "Linda" <r...(a)email.com> wrote:

> >> That wasn't good
> >> enough for me so I went and found a different product which is just
> >> gentle
> >> and doesn't sting to begin with.

> I use Gaia Natural Baby, I'll check the ingredients for you if you're
> interested and let you know (I can't right now)

I am, thanks. I have a patent on a mixture such that it you use it as
bath foam, the foam doesn't sting eyes. However, if you shampoo or
wash your face with it, even it will sting eyes somewhat. Pretty much
the same can be said of the better baby shampoos if you took the anti-
sting ingredients out; they'd still be mild, but not zero eye sting.
So I'm very interested to learn of a shampoo whose surfactants
intrinsically don't sting eyes without the addition of the anti-sting
ethoxylates.

Robert
From: Linda on

<robgood(a)bestweb.net> wrote in message
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> On Nov 16, 11:38 pm, "Linda" <r...(a)email.com> wrote:
>
>> >> That wasn't good
>> >> enough for me so I went and found a different product which is just
>> >> gentle
>> >> and doesn't sting to begin with.
>
>> I use Gaia Natural Baby, I'll check the ingredients for you if you're
>> interested and let you know (I can't right now)
>
> I am, thanks. I have a patent on a mixture such that it you use it as
> bath foam, the foam doesn't sting eyes. However, if you shampoo or
> wash your face with it, even it will sting eyes somewhat. Pretty much
> the same can be said of the better baby shampoos if you took the anti-
> sting ingredients out; they'd still be mild, but not zero eye sting.
> So I'm very interested to learn of a shampoo whose surfactants
> intrinsically don't sting eyes without the addition of the anti-sting
> ethoxylates.
>
> Robert

Thats very interesting - good luck with it. To be fair - I use Gaia Natural
Baby Bath and Body Wash - they do have a shampoo available as well but I
have found this cleans my daughters hair quite fine and does the rest of her
too so this does us now at any rate. We obviously don't purposely put it in
her eyes, but she doesn't object when she her hair and face is washed and is
rinsed and it runs over her eyes etc

From the Back of the Bottle -

Gaia Natural Baby is free from sulphates, petrochemicals, artificial
fragarance, mineral oils, parabens, propylene glycol and animal ingredients.
Only the finest natural and organic ingreidents are selected to bring you
this beautiful range of gentle and effective products to care for your
precious little one's skin. All ingredients are derived from natural
sources:demineralised water, disodium cocoamphodiacetate (coconut), decyl
polyglucoside (sugar), cocoamidlpropyl betaine (coconut), vegetable
glycerine, almond glycerides, lactic acid, certified organic chamolile
extract, certified organic avacado oil, certified organic evening primrose
oil, sodium hydrocy methyl glycinate (plant protein), pure essential oils of
certified organic lavender, certified organic sweet orange, certified
organic chamomile, limonene and linalool.

There's probably stacks of spelling mistakes in there but hopefully it gives
you what you need. I really like the stuff and so does my DD.