From: PeterB - Original on
On Feb 11, 6:48 am, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
> Kevysmom wrote:
> >> Please engage your brain. He didn't write that 55,000 kids a year die in
> >> the US from dehydration. Rather, 55,000 kids are admitted to the
> >> hospital. Around 50 kids are killed each year from rotavirus.
>
> > No, Thats NOT what he wrote, this is a direct quote on what he wrote.
>
> > You mean the man who developed the RotaTEQ vaccine that has saved
> > tens
> >>>>> of thousands of children's lives and has prevented even more
> >>>>> hospitalizations?
>
> >> According to the World Health Organization, about 1.5 million kids die
> >> each year from diarrhea.http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs330/en/index.html
>
> >> How sad.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Yes, those starving children in Africa have nothing but polluted water
> > to drink, Lets just give them a vaccine instead of providing clean
> > water and sanitary conditions!
>
> > Jeff, after all of these years I cant believe your heart hasnt
> > softened.
>
> Please, I have never said anything like that.

It's exactly what you say except when directly confronted. All your
posts are devoted to promoting pharmaceuticals; none are devoted to
REAL solutions, REAL medicine, or REAL evidence. Typical pharmnut
working on behalf of his sponsors.

> Vaccines can be given out over the next year. The kids will still be
> exposed to horrible conditions, inlcuidng poor nutrition, dirty water
> and poverty for years to come. So we need to do both: give them the
> vaccines that save lives and improve their living conditions, including
> improving their water supply, sanitation, nutrition and other living
> conditions. It's going to take far longer to get the nutrition and water
> conditions fixed than it will to give out vaccines.

From: Mark Probert on
On Feb 11, 4:25 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:18 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
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> > Kevysmom wrote:
> > >>>> You mean the man who developed the RotaTEQ vaccine that has saved tens
> > >>>> of thousands of children's lives and has prevented even more
> > >>>> hospitalizations? Of course he should be well compensated for that..
> > >>>> As for making more money from the vaccine....not possible.-
> > >>> How has the Rota TEQ vaccine saved tens of thousands of lives?
> > >> Because diarrhea is one of the leading causes of infant death around
> > >> the world. The last I heard there were 55,000 hospital admissions a
> > >> year in the US as a result of rotavirus infection.
>
> > > I dont believe those numbers, and I certainly dont believe very many
> > > infants die from diarrhea in the US.(Dehydration is curable with a
> > > simple thing called an IV) Maybe in third world countries where they
> > > drink very contaminated polluted water.
>
> > Please engage your brain. He didn't write that 55,000 kids a year die in
> > the US from dehydration. Rather, 55,000 kids are admitted to the
> > hospital. Around 50 kids are killed each year from rotavirus.
>
> > According to the World Health Organization, about 1.5 million kids die
> > each year from diarrhea.http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs330/en/index.html
>
> > How sad.
>
> But not for lack of vaccine, despite your repeated use of such logical
> fallacies.-

They die from a vaccine preventable disease, Rotavirus.

From: PeterB - Original on
On Feb 10, 7:54 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 5:27 pm, PeterB - Original <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 9, 4:16 am, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
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> > > "PeterB - Original" <p...(a)mytrashmail.com> wrote in messagenews:f47e089c-534b-42a3-91c4-149ce5feeb18(a)z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Feb 7, 6:51 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
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> > > > john wrote:
> > > > > "dr_jeff" <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote in message
> > > > >news:9OCdnfjKn-Qt2fLWnZ2dnUVZ_tpi4p2d(a)giganews.com...
> > > > >> <copyrighted garbaged deleted>
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> > > > Autism is not caused by vaccines.  Period.
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> > > That has never been proven.  Period.
>
> > > yep, again and againhttp://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven..html
>
> > I agree that vaccines are causing a variety of neurological disorders,
> > even death.  I was referring to  the other poster's claim that
> > vaccines do not cause autism.
>
> They don't. If you have some research showing otherwise, post it.

The burden of proof for claims of vaccine safety rests with those like
yourself who are here to promote vaccine, and so far, you haven't
produced any. In fact, you claim that I am the reason you won't,
which is quite amusing. Typical pharmnut behavior.
From: dr_jeff on
Kevysmom wrote:
>>>> Please engage your brain. He didn't write that 55,000 kids a year die in
>>>> the US from dehydration. Rather, 55,000 kids are admitted to the
>>>> hospital. Around 50 kids are killed each year from rotavirus.
>>> No, Thats NOT what he wrote, this is a direct quote on what he wrote.
>>> You mean the man who developed the RotaTEQ vaccine that has saved
>>> tens
>>>>>>> of thousands of children's lives and has prevented even more
>>>>>>> hospitalizations?
>>>> According to the World Health Organization, about 1.5 million kids die
>>>> each year from diarrhea.http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs330/en/index.html
>>>> How sad.
>>>> Jeff
>>> Yes, those starving children in Africa have nothing but polluted water
>>> to drink, Lets just give them a vaccine instead of providing clean
>>> water and sanitary conditions!
>>> Jeff, after all of these years I cant believe your heart hasnt
>>> softened.
>> Please, I have never said anything like that.
>
>
>
> I never said you did. But, to make the claim all of these children die
> from diarrhea without mentioning the conditions which these children
> live in, is deceiving.

That's your opinion. I disagree.

>> Vaccines can be given out over the next year. The kids will still be
>> exposed to horrible conditions, inlcuidng poor nutrition, dirty water
>> and poverty for years to come. So we need to do both: give them the
>> vaccines that save lives and improve their living conditions, including
>> improving their water supply, sanitation, nutrition and other living
>> conditions. It's going to take far longer to get the nutrition and water
>> conditions fixed than it will to give out vaccines.
>>
>> Jeff-
>
>
>
> Yes, and there is no money to be made by just feeding them and giving
> them clean water. So, companies see dollar signs instead.

I would suggest you talk to your lawmakers and have more money
appropriated for this in developing nations. And give more money to
groups that do this.

This is not the job of vaccine companies.

Jeff
From: dr_jeff on
PeterB - Original wrote:
> On Feb 10, 9:18 pm, dr_jeff <u...(a)msu.edu> wrote:
>> Kevysmom wrote:
>>>>>> You mean the man who developed the RotaTEQ vaccine that has saved tens
>>>>>> of thousands of children's lives and has prevented even more
>>>>>> hospitalizations? Of course he should be well compensated for that.
>>>>>> As for making more money from the vaccine....not possible.-
>>>>> How has the Rota TEQ vaccine saved tens of thousands of lives?
>>>> Because diarrhea is one of the leading causes of infant death around
>>>> the world. The last I heard there were 55,000 hospital admissions a
>>>> year in the US as a result of rotavirus infection.
>>> I dont believe those numbers, and I certainly dont believe very many
>>> infants die from diarrhea in the US.(Dehydration is curable with a
>>> simple thing called an IV) Maybe in third world countries where they
>>> drink very contaminated polluted water.
>> Please engage your brain. He didn't write that 55,000 kids a year die in
>> the US from dehydration. Rather, 55,000 kids are admitted to the
>> hospital. Around 50 kids are killed each year from rotavirus.
>>
>> According to the World Health Organization, about 1.5 million kids die
>> each year from diarrhea.http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs330/en/index.html
>>
>> How sad.
>
> But not for lack of vaccine, despite your repeated use of such logical
> fallacies.

Really? How do you figure? How many of all the kids who die of rotavirus
diarrhea (which is not all those who die from diarrhea - many die from
bacteria, viruses and other diarrhea-causing organisms), how many have
had rotavirus vaccine? There is no question that these people need
better water, food and sanitation. However, most of these kids would be
saved if we got them the vaccine.

Jeff