From: john on
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vaccine_debate.shtml


9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims


Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
"vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
with the following 9 questions.


Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
in scientific and medical circles.

Fact: The claim is completely false.

1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
vaccines?

2. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study
which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

3. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove
that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was
attributable to inoculation of populations?

4. What to ask: Could you please explain how the safety and mechanism of
vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if their
pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism
and excretion of ingredients) are never examined or analyzed in any vaccine
study?

One of the most critical elements which defines the toxicity potential of
any vaccine are its pharmacokinetic properties. Drug companies and health
agencies refuse to consider the study, analysis or evaluation of the
pharmacokinetic properties of any vaccine.

There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of
vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or
achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to
human health).

There are also no controlled studies completed in any country which have
objectively proven that vaccines have had any direct or consequential effect
on the reduction of any type of disease in any part of the world.

Every single study that has ever attempted to validate the safety and
effectiveness of vaccines has conclusively established carcinogenic,
mutagenic, neurotoxic or fertility impairments, but they won't address
those.

******************************************************************************

Claim: Preservatives and chemical additives used in the manufacture of
vaccines are safe and no studies have been linked or proven them unsafe for
use in humans.

Fact: The claim is completely false.

5. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human
health and prevents disease?

6. What to ask: Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits
of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the
intended goal of preventing disease?

This issue is no longer even open to debate. It is a scientifically
established fact in literally hundreds of studies that the preservatives and
chemical additives in vaccines damage cells. Neurotoxicity, immune
suppression, immune-mediated chronic inflammation and carcinogenic
proliferation are just a few of several effects that have been observed on
the human body. See a list of chemicals in vaccines

Fortunately, the drug companies still tell us the damage vaccines have on
the human body. People just don't read them. All you have to do is look at
the insert for any vaccine, and it will detail the exact ingredients, alerts
and potentially lethal effects.

See my latest analysis of the Arepanrix H1N1 vaccine for an example.

Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject any
type of neurotoxin into any person to prevent any disease is completely
misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human
health.

******************************************************************************

Claim: Once an individual is injected with the foreign antigen in the
vaccine, that individual becomes immune to future infections.

Fact: The claim is completely false.

7. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how
bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how
directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning
and prevents future infections?

8. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how a
vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?

9. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have
the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?


All promoters of vaccination fail to realize that the respiratory tract of
humans (actually all mammals) contains antibodies which initiates natural
immune responses within the respiratory tract mucosa. Bypassing this mucosal
aspect of the immune system by directly injecting viruses into the
bloodstream leads to a corruption in the immune system itself. As a result,
the pathogenic viruses or bacteria cannot be eliminated by the immune system
and remain in the body, where they will further grow and/or mutate as the
individual is exposed to ever more antigens and toxins in the environment
which continue to assault the immune system.


Despite the injection of any type of vaccine, viruses continue circulating
through the body, mutating and transforming into other organisms. The
ability of a vaccine manufacturer to target the exact viral strain without
knowing its mutagenic properties is equivalent to shooting a gun at a fixed
target that has already been moved from its location. You would be shooting
at what was, not what is!

Flu viruses, may mutate, change or adapt several times over a period of one
flu season, making the seasonal influenza vaccine 100% redundant and
ineffective every single flu season. Ironically, the natural immune defenses
of the human body can target these changes but the vaccines cannot.

I have never encountered one pro-vaccine advocate, whether medically or
scientifically qualified, who could answer even 1 let alone all 9 of these
questions. One or all of the following will happen when debating any of the
above questions:

- They will concede defeat and admit they are stumped

- They will attempt to discredit unrelated issues that do not pertain to the
question.

- They will formulate their response and rebuttal based on historical
arguments and scientific studies which have been disproved over and over
again.

Not one pro-vaccine advocate will ever directly address these questions in
an open mainstream venue.


From: Jason on
In article <FaCdndKRR8KyHXHXnZ2dnUVZ8oednZ2d(a)bt.com>, "john"
<nospam(a)bt.com> wrote:

>
http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vaccine_debate.shtml
>
>
> 9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims
>
>
> Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
> "vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
> effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
> and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
> with the following 9 questions.
>
>
> Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
> effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
> in scientific and medical circles.
>
> Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> 1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
> placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
> vaccines?
>
> 2. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study
> which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
>
> 3. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove
> that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was
> attributable to inoculation of populations?
>
> 4. What to ask: Could you please explain how the safety and mechanism of
> vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if their
> pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism
> and excretion of ingredients) are never examined or analyzed in any vaccine
> study?
>
> One of the most critical elements which defines the toxicity potential of
> any vaccine are its pharmacokinetic properties. Drug companies and health
> agencies refuse to consider the study, analysis or evaluation of the
> pharmacokinetic properties of any vaccine.
>
> There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of
> vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or
> achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to
> human health).
>
> There are also no controlled studies completed in any country which have
> objectively proven that vaccines have had any direct or consequential effect
> on the reduction of any type of disease in any part of the world.
>
> Every single study that has ever attempted to validate the safety and
> effectiveness of vaccines has conclusively established carcinogenic,
> mutagenic, neurotoxic or fertility impairments, but they won't address
> those.
>
> ******************************************************************************
>
> Claim: Preservatives and chemical additives used in the manufacture of
> vaccines are safe and no studies have been linked or proven them unsafe for
> use in humans.
>
> Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> 5. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
> injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human
> health and prevents disease?
>
> 6. What to ask: Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits
> of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the
> intended goal of preventing disease?
>
> This issue is no longer even open to debate. It is a scientifically
> established fact in literally hundreds of studies that the preservatives and
> chemical additives in vaccines damage cells. Neurotoxicity, immune
> suppression, immune-mediated chronic inflammation and carcinogenic
> proliferation are just a few of several effects that have been observed on
> the human body. See a list of chemicals in vaccines
>
> Fortunately, the drug companies still tell us the damage vaccines have on
> the human body. People just don't read them. All you have to do is look at
> the insert for any vaccine, and it will detail the exact ingredients, alerts
> and potentially lethal effects.
>
> See my latest analysis of the Arepanrix H1N1 vaccine for an example.
>
> Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject any
> type of neurotoxin into any person to prevent any disease is completely
> misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human
> health.
>
> ******************************************************************************
>
> Claim: Once an individual is injected with the foreign antigen in the
> vaccine, that individual becomes immune to future infections.
>
> Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> 7. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how
> bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how
> directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning
> and prevents future infections?
>
> 8. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how a
> vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
>
> 9. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
> a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have
> the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?
>
>
> All promoters of vaccination fail to realize that the respiratory tract of
> humans (actually all mammals) contains antibodies which initiates natural
> immune responses within the respiratory tract mucosa. Bypassing this mucosal
> aspect of the immune system by directly injecting viruses into the
> bloodstream leads to a corruption in the immune system itself. As a result,
> the pathogenic viruses or bacteria cannot be eliminated by the immune system
> and remain in the body, where they will further grow and/or mutate as the
> individual is exposed to ever more antigens and toxins in the environment
> which continue to assault the immune system.
>
>
> Despite the injection of any type of vaccine, viruses continue circulating
> through the body, mutating and transforming into other organisms. The
> ability of a vaccine manufacturer to target the exact viral strain without
> knowing its mutagenic properties is equivalent to shooting a gun at a fixed
> target that has already been moved from its location. You would be shooting
> at what was, not what is!
>
> Flu viruses, may mutate, change or adapt several times over a period of one
> flu season, making the seasonal influenza vaccine 100% redundant and
> ineffective every single flu season. Ironically, the natural immune defenses
> of the human body can target these changes but the vaccines cannot.
>
> I have never encountered one pro-vaccine advocate, whether medically or
> scientifically qualified, who could answer even 1 let alone all 9 of these
> questions. One or all of the following will happen when debating any of the
> above questions:
>
> - They will concede defeat and admit they are stumped
>
> - They will attempt to discredit unrelated issues that do not pertain to the
> question.
>
> - They will formulate their response and rebuttal based on historical
> arguments and scientific studies which have been disproved over and over
> again.
>
> Not one pro-vaccine advocate will ever directly address these questions in
> an open mainstream venue.

The reality is that some vaccines have prevented millions of people from
developing terrible diseases such as polio (poliomyelitis). Polio went
from MAJOR public health problem to a minor one in very short time. The
reason is because of the Salk Vaccine. Smallpox is another example of a
disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination.


From: Mark Probert on
On Oct 31, 4:44 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <FaCdndKRR8KyHXHXnZ2dnUVZ8oedn...(a)bt.com>, "john"
>
> <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
>
> http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vacci...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > 9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims
>
> > Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
> > "vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
> > effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
> > and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
> > with the following 9 questions.
>
> > Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
> > effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
> > in scientific and medical circles.
>
> > Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> > 1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
> > placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
> > vaccines?
>
> > 2. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study
> > which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
>
> > 3. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove
> > that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was
> > attributable to inoculation of populations?
>
> > 4. What to ask: Could you please explain how the safety and mechanism of
> > vaccines in the human body are scientifically proven if their
> > pharmacokinetics (the study of bodily absorption, distribution, metabolism
> > and excretion of ingredients) are never examined or analyzed in any vaccine
> > study?
>
> > One of the most critical elements which defines the toxicity potential of
> > any vaccine are its pharmacokinetic properties. Drug companies and health
> > agencies refuse to consider the study, analysis or evaluation of the
> > pharmacokinetic properties of any vaccine.
>
> > There is not one double-blind, placebo-controlled study in the history of
> > vaccine development that has ever proven their safety, effectiveness or
> > achievements (unless those achievements have underlined their damage to
> > human health).
>
> > There are also no controlled studies completed in any country which have
> > objectively proven that vaccines have had any direct or consequential effect
> > on the reduction of any type of disease in any part of the world.
>
> > Every single study that has ever attempted to validate the safety and
> > effectiveness of vaccines has conclusively established carcinogenic,
> > mutagenic, neurotoxic or fertility impairments, but they won't address
> > those.
>
> > ***************************************************************************­***
>
> > Claim: Preservatives and chemical additives used in the manufacture of
> > vaccines are safe and no studies have been linked or proven them unsafe for
> > use in humans.
>
> > Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> > 5. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
> > injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human
> > health and prevents disease?
>
> > 6. What to ask: Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits
> > of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the
> > intended goal of preventing disease?
>
> > This issue is no longer even open to debate. It is a scientifically
> > established fact in literally hundreds of studies that the preservatives and
> > chemical additives in vaccines damage cells. Neurotoxicity, immune
> > suppression, immune-mediated chronic inflammation and carcinogenic
> > proliferation are just a few of several effects that have been observed on
> > the human body. See a list of chemicals in vaccines
>
> > Fortunately, the drug companies still tell us the damage vaccines have on
> > the human body. People just don't read them. All you have to do is look at
> > the insert for any vaccine, and it will detail the exact ingredients, alerts
> > and potentially lethal effects.
>
> > See my latest analysis of the Arepanrix H1N1 vaccine for an example.
>
> > Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject any
> > type of neurotoxin into any person to prevent any disease is completely
> > misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human
> > health.
>
> > ***************************************************************************­***
>
> > Claim: Once an individual is injected with the foreign antigen in the
> > vaccine, that individual becomes immune to future infections.
>
> > Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> > 7. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how
> > bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how
> > directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning
> > and prevents future infections?
>
> > 8. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how a
> > vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?
>
> > 9. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how
> > a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have
> > the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?
>
> > All promoters of vaccination fail to realize that the respiratory tract of
> > humans (actually all mammals) contains antibodies which initiates natural
> > immune responses within the respiratory tract mucosa. Bypassing this mucosal
> > aspect of the immune system by directly injecting viruses into the
> > bloodstream leads to a corruption in the immune system itself. As a result,
> > the pathogenic viruses or bacteria cannot be eliminated by the immune system
> > and remain in the body, where they will further grow and/or mutate as the
> > individual is exposed to ever more antigens and toxins in the environment
> > which continue to assault the immune system.
>
> > Despite the injection of any type of vaccine, viruses continue circulating
> > through the body, mutating and transforming into other organisms. The
> > ability of a vaccine manufacturer to target the exact viral strain without
> > knowing its mutagenic properties is equivalent to shooting a gun at a fixed
> > target that has already been moved from its location. You would be shooting
> > at what was, not what is!
>
> > Flu viruses, may mutate, change or adapt several times over a period of one
> > flu season, making the seasonal influenza vaccine 100% redundant and
> > ineffective every single flu season. Ironically, the natural immune defenses
> > of the human body can target these changes but the vaccines cannot.
>
> > I have never encountered one pro-vaccine advocate, whether medically or
> > scientifically qualified, who could answer even 1 let alone all 9 of these
> > questions. One or all of the following will happen when debating any of the
> > above questions:
>
> > - They will concede defeat and admit they are stumped
>
> > - They will attempt to discredit unrelated issues that do not pertain to the
> > question.
>
> > - They will formulate their response and rebuttal based on historical
> > arguments and scientific studies which have been disproved over and over
> > again.
>
> > Not one pro-vaccine advocate will ever directly address these questions in
> > an open mainstream venue.
>
> The reality is that some vaccines have prevented millions of people from
> developing terrible diseases such as polio (poliomyelitis). Polio went
> from MAJOR public health problem to a minor one in very short time. The
> reason is because of the Salk Vaccine.

John Scumamore claims that polio is still around but is called other
things.

Smallpox is another example of a
> disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination.-

Actually, smallpox has been eradicated.

From: Mark Probert on
On Oct 31, 2:21 pm, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vacci...
>
> 9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims
>
> Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
> "vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
> effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
> and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
> with the following 9 questions.
>
> Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
> effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
> in scientific and medical circles.
>
> Fact: The claim is completely false.
>
> 1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
> placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
> vaccines?


http://wps.aw.com/wps/media/objects/14/15269/projects/ch12_salk/index.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4585992

1952 The United States reports 57,628 polio cases -- the worst U.S.
epidemic on record.

-- Dr. Salk and his colleagues develop a potentially safe, injectable
vaccine against polio. Nearly 15,000 Pittsburgh-area subjects, mostly
children, receive the vaccine in pilot trials.

-- Salk's former mentor, Dr. Thomas Francis, designs, directs and
evaluates field trials of the polio vaccine. Unprecedented in their
scope and size, the trials involve around 1.8 million children from
the United States, Canada and Finland. They are among the first to use
the double-blind process that has since become standard.

If your idiot writer could not even get the first one right, why
bother to continue?

DisMISSED!

From: dr_jeff on
Mark Probert wrote:

<...>

> John Scumamore claims that polio is still around but is called other
> things.

Actually, it is confined to Africa and the Indian subcontinent. Thanks
to vaccines, polio is no longer in the western hemisphere, Europe and
most of Asia.

> Smallpox is another example of a
>> disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination.-
>
> Actually, smallpox has been eradicated.
>