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From: Jan Drew on 31 Oct 2009 20:28
Mark Probert wrote:
From: Jan Drew on 31 Oct 2009 20:33
On Oct 31, 6:24ï¿½pm, Peter Parry <pe...(a)wpp.ltd.uk>
From: Mark Probert on 31 Oct 2009 20:35
On Oct 31, 8:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 3:52 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 31, 2:21 pm, "john" <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> > >http://preventdisease.com/news/09/102809_9_arguments_to_win_any_vacci....
> > > 9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims
> > > Since the flu pandemic was declared, there have been several so-called
> > > "vaccine experts" coming out of the wood work attempting to justify the
> > > effectiveness of vaccines. All of them parrot the same ridiculous historical
> > > and pseudoscientific perspectives of vaccinations which are easily squelched
> > > with the following 9 questions.
> > > Claim: The study of vaccines, their historical record of achievements,
> > > effectiveness, safety and mechanism in humans are well understood and proven
> > > in scientific and medical circles.
> > > Fact: The claim is completely false.
> > > 1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind,
> > > placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of
> > > vaccines?
> Hmmm. This is not a double-blind placebo controlled study that proved
> the question John asked.
It surely was. I was part of it. I recall going to the gym and lining
up one kid on the right, one on the left.
> Neither is that.
It is a discussion of the same Salk trial, a/k/a study.
> > 1952 The United States reports 57,628 polio cases -- the worst U.S.
> > epidemic on record.
> > -- Dr. Salk and his colleagues develop a potentially safe, injectable
> > vaccine against polio. Nearly 15,000 Pittsburgh-area subjects, mostly
> > children, receive the vaccine in pilot trials.
> Read the words trials. This is not what John listed.
Trials is an older term for study. It was double blind, and it prove
efficacy of the vaccine.
> Neither is this thread about Polio
OMG, are you really this stupid? I find it hard to believe that any
person who can toilet themselves is this stupid. Please tell me it is
From: premy2u on 23 Nov 2009 21:23
On Oct 31, 3:44 pm, Ja...(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <FaCdndKRR8KyHXHXnZ2dnUVZ8oedn...(a)bt.com>, "john"
> <nos...(a)bt.com> wrote:
> The reality is that some vaccines have prevented millions of people from
> developing terrible diseases such as polio (poliomyelitis). Polio went
> from MAJOR public health problem to a minor one in very short time. The
> reason is because of the Salk Vaccine. Smallpox is another example of a
> disease that has almost been eradicated through vaccination.
1997: Polio is not eradicated by vaccination, but likely lurks behind
a disease redefinition
and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic
meningitis.......According to one of the
1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of
viral meningitis per
year in the United States alone.! That's where it is thought that
30,000 - 50,000 cases of
polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination.
"Today, various other forms of the word "polio" are still used to
describe the effects of
poisoning, though usually with regard to paralysis in animals. A
search of Medline
("polio" and "poison") finds about 45 contemporary articles where
poisoning causality is
attributed to polio. The terminology found was:
"poliomyelomalacia", "polyradiculoneuritis", "neurological picture
similar to that of
poliomyelitis", "polioencephalomyelomalacia", "lumbal
"cerebrocortical necrosis (polioencephalomalacia)", "Lead poisoning in
fruit bats (Pteropus poliocephalus)", "multifocal-poliomyelomalacia",
poliomalacia", "Polio and high-sulfate diets", "atypical porcine
encephalomyelitis: possible interraction between enteroviruses and
"polioencephalomalacia and photosensitization associated with kochia
consumption in range cattle", "bovine polioencephalomalacia." Viral or
meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese paralytic
fatigue syndrome, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis,
inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever,
bilious remittent fever,
ergotism, ME, post-polio syndrome, acute flaccid paralysis! (Jim West,
Research Publications, http://www.geocities.com/harpub/).
"How to Predict Epidemics"
Andrew Maniotis, Ph.D.
Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer
Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineering,
University of Illinois at Chicago
Chicago, IL 60607
From: Jan Drew on 23 Nov 2009 21:38
On Oct 31, 6:45ï¿½pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...(a)gmail.com>